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Australian Federal Election 2010

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Show me where it outlines the answers we need .... :rolleyes:

Why should I play your game? You aren't trying to have a discussion, you're JAQing off so you can shift the burden of proof. Why don't you read the report?

Was it not the reason (in part at least) that Nauru was dismantled because they were not a signatory to international conventions?

No idea. You tell me. And by "you tell me" I mean provide a *********** source.

Malaysia isn't a signatory, Nauru is (or nearly is).

Quite frankly I don't think Nauru is signing the convention because they care about the rights of refugees.

Blaming Abbott when she should be talking to those in alliance with her. Namely the Greens and independants. Why isn't she asking them for help?

That hypocrisy.

How exactly is this hypocrisy? If anything it shows that you don't understand how a minority government works. Your ignorance does not equal hypocrisy.

Besides isn't this a clear indicator of Abbott's hypocrisy? He's probably the biggest (and/or loudest) voice crying out "stop the boats" and yet when he's given the opportunity to do so he's going to run away.

What I really don't understand considering your rather vitriolic rhetoric against the asylum seekers is why, if you don't seem to want these people in the first place, you support a programme that resulted in 61% of the people detained ending up in Australia, while decrying a programme that should result in 0% of the same people ending up in this country.

The fact that the boats had stopped, she and Rudd started them again (in the National interest), and now they want to stop them - in the national interest.

That hypocrisy.

I forgot that you happen to have a simplistic way of seeing things. Because the only factor that influences whether people try to come to Australia is whether we have offshore processing or not. :rolleyes:

The fact that Labor policy was for onshore proccessing, and now she is desperate to get them processed offshore.

That hypocrisy.

Source for this?

The reality that she is in government and is blaming everyone else, steadfastly refusing to take any responsibility for her glaring failures.

Evidence?

Not by a long way. Gillard is way way way in front.

And your support for this claim is simply because you say so.

Nauru allows for many controls that Malaysia doesn't.

It also allows Australia to send certain... undesirables far away and out of mind. I wonder where they could have gotten that idea from?
 
And a huge thank you to the Coalition who left him with a surplus with which to save the economy. I guess you will also be crediting Swan with the mining boom. ;)

I think we should give credit where credit is due for the mining boom, and for that fact I say 谢谢.
 
No idea. You tell me. And by "you tell me" I mean provide a *********** source.

Here you go....

http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/transcript-interview-howard-sattler

SATTLER: Have you talked to anyone in Nauru or Manus Island?

PM: We are talking to signatories to the Refugee Convention, of which East Timor is one.

SATTLER: Would you rule Nauru or Manus Island out?

PM: I would rule out anywhere that is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention.


Quite frankly I don't think Nauru is signing the convention because they care about the rights of refugees.

LOL.
And Malaysia is, I guess?
 
Wayne Swan to be named Finance Minister of the year. There is a serious disconnect between the achievements of the Labor Government in an ongoing atmosphere of Financial Turmoil, and it's achievement in keeping Australia at the top of the economic performance indicators in coping with that crises.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...minister-of-year/story-fn59niix-1226142066426

Some previous award winners:

Euromoney 2006 Best Investment Bank - Lehman Brothers (Busted 2007)
Euromoney 2006 Best Equity House - Morgan Stanley (Bailed out 2007)
http://www.euromoney.com/Article/1042111/Title.html

Euromoney 2006 Best at Risk Management - Bear Stearns (Busted 2007)

Euromoney 2006 Best at Investor Services - Citigroup (Bailed out 2007)

And a favourable Euromoney commentary on AIG’s future, 2007 (bailed out 2007)


Swan is in prestigious company. :rolleyes:
 
And a huge thank you to the Coalition who left him with a surplus with which to save the economy. I guess you will also be crediting Swan with the mining boom. ;)
No. At least he wants to do something better with it than create ways to waste the proceeds, such as a 'baby bonus'. That was a mess, and has had to be fixed several times. For some reason, it was never made much of a fuss of in the Murdoch press or talk back radio.
 
I already said I don't like Gillard's Policy. Abbot's policy to turn around boats is worse than any other policy that anyone has come up with. It is, quite simply, dangerous and inhumane.

You forget the bit where he says "where possible". I for one do not see very often when "possible" is an option, do you?

But back on Swan, what of the stimulous, BER and pink batts. It takes some real genius to foul those things up. Well done to him.
 
You forget the bit where he says "where possible". I for one do not see very often when "possible" is an option, do you?

"Where Possible" are about as weasley as weasle words can get. Appeals to the racists, but actually commits him to turning back any number of boats, including 0, which is what I predict.
 
You forget the bit where he says "where possible". I for one do not see very often when "possible" is an option, do you?

But back on Swan, what of the stimulous, BER and pink batts. It takes some real genius to foul those things up. Well done to him.

Howard to a surplus, and squandered it on middle class welfare, supposedly the antithesis of what he stands for as a low taxing government that requires that those that can do not get any welfare. Say hello to the 'baby bonus'.

The pink batts and other measures worked, Australia made it through the GFC in better shape than just about any other economy in the world. That's one thing spin can't take away from their economic management.

Read this for an appraisal of just what Tony Abbot brings to the actual business of governing a country. It amounts to little more than nothing.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2909940.html#comments

Let's look at some of the people she names. They all work hard but have achieved very little, which means that each of them needs a long hard look at the way they do (and the Coalition does) things:
Arthur Sinodinos was the guy who made sure that Howard's policy pronouncements made sense. He entered Howard's office in 1995 and played an important role - more important than Howard's press secretary at the time - in ensuring that what Howard said was a coherent criticism of the then Labor government and offered an equally coherent and appealing alternative.
Tony Abbott didn't get where he is today by being coherent. He doesn't respect policy costings and cost-benefit analyses, or even the long and painstaking work that others must do in order to make thought bubbles real. Peter Costello's book details numerous occasions where Abbott would come up with expensive policy proposals that weren't well thought-out, which he would take responsibility for preventing; no doubt Sinodinos has done similar work to that end. Have the NSW Libs put Sinodinos in to reinforce what they know to be a structural weakness in Abbott?
The Liberal Party loves Arthur Sinodinos, but he doesn't necessarily love it back. This is the guy who spent his time dampening the enthusiasm of those who felt they'd been elected to do stuff. He spent very little time as a party member and his first run for elected office was unopposed elevation to state president. Even people who loathed John Howard couldn't deny that he'd paid his dues in politics; a lesser case can be made for Abbott but no such case can be made for Sinodinos. This isn't to say that his real and extensive policy experience isn't important - it is very much so - but Abbott will be tempted to discount it against the practical business of winning elections. In recent public appearances (and how can we judge The Situation except by public appearances?) that temptation has become overwhelming for Abbott.
Sinodinos will have to play a naysaying role with Abbott, without the authority of Howard to back him up. Sinodinos put up with a great deal of ******** in Howard's office, and when the sheer weight of ******** ceased to be the ballast of the Howard government and started causing it to sink in 2007, Sinodinos bailed out. It will be fascinating to see how (or if) Sinodinos gets Abbott to take policy seriously.
Joe Hockey will appreciate Sinodinos' help in getting some policy work done, but Abbott didn't get where he is by listening to Joe Hockey.
Barnaby Joyce is a gibberer like Abbott. He attacks Labor good and hard but because his attacks have no substance, or are misguided, it doesn't have the impact his fans might hope and makes a struggling government look authoritative. Joyce reinforces the idea that the Coalition aren't ready for government. Abbott didn't get where he is by listening to Barnaby Joyce.
Scott Morrison proves that the Coalition aren't ready for government. Their 'solution' was voted out of office four years ago and was kyboshed by the High Court. No amount of insistence to the contrary will or can change that, and simply insisting that any departure from the policy developed in haste in 2001 is "bad" only patronises people doing real work (and looking for real leadership) in that area. Morrison isn't doing what is necessary to think about immigration policy, all of the votes that are going to be attracted with his stance are there already, now he has to act like a minister. That's asking too much.
Christopher Pyne is annoying except to Canberra insiders and says exactly nothing on his shadow ministry, education, a policy area ripe for re-examination across a number of fronts

Yes, they offer nothing, and worse, most are incapable of being able to offer something.
 
He he.
It's truly amazing that you would even contemplate defending Swan; he is a laughing stock everywhere except his own home. Isn't he the deputy pm? How come no one talks about him in leadership discussions.

At any rate, all this is a sad sideshow to the more important discussions. Like Gillard having sex under the Australian flag. Or Kevin Rudd getting told off by Gillard for spending too much: I predict he will thumb his nose at her. Your thoughts?
 
He he.
It's truly amazing that you would even contemplate defending Swan; he is a laughing stock everywhere except his own home. Isn't he the deputy pm? How come no one talks about him in leadership discussions.

At any rate, all this is a sad sideshow to the more important discussions. Like Gillard having sex under the Australian flag. Or Kevin Rudd getting told off by Gillard for spending too much: I predict he will thumb his nose at her. Your thoughts?

So the most important topic, the economy, is now the sideshow, right when it looks like another GFC could be winding up, and the main act is an unfunny, fictional ABC comedy. We have truly entered the bizarro universe in Australia if that's the case.

It just shows how stupid we are if we fear a few refugees more than an other global economic crises. It was Wayne Swan and the Treasury that got us through the last one better than the US or any other major economy, yet people would throw that away just to enjoy watching some boats get turned back.
 
Whoosh.

I agree, the economy is very important. Tell me how the Carbon (dioxide) tax will help it?

Mining jobs to be lost abroad, the manufacturing industry in trouble, retail screaming and we are going to hit it with a massive new tax that will achieve what again? Emmissions won't be lowered anywhere.

Oh that's right... "it's the right thing to do". :rolleyes:
 
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Whoosh.

I agree, the economy is very important. Tell me how the Carbon (dioxide) tax will help it?

Mining jobs to be lost abroad, the manufacturing industry in trouble, retail screaming and we are going to hit it with a massive new tax that will achieve what again? Emmissions won't be lowered anywhere.

Oh that's right... "it's the right thing to do". :rolleyes:

It will help create a more stable climate. We all depend on climate. Whoosh. The refugees are not a major problem. Abbot's economic credibility is about zero, and the Liberal Party said we should do the opposite to what Labor did in the last crises. Labor's approach worked.
 
Here you go....

http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/transcript-interview-howard-sattler

SATTLER: Have you talked to anyone in Nauru or Manus Island?

PM: We are talking to signatories to the Refugee Convention, of which East Timor is one.

SATTLER: Would you rule Nauru or Manus Island out?

PM: I would rule out anywhere that is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention.

See, that wasn't so hard to do was it? Even though it doesn't really answer what I was asking.

Although I do have a little trouble believing that is hypocritical since she didn't say that she will rule out those places.

LOL.
And Malaysia is, I guess?

Malaysia has their own interests in following the agreement, which is, I believe, -3200 refugees.
 
Although I do have a little trouble believing that is hypocritical since she didn't say that she will rule out those places.

I am confused. she rules out anywhere that is not a signatory. Malaysia is not a signatory and thus is ruled out. Now it is ruled in???

Malaysia has their own interests in following the agreement, which is, I believe, -3200 refugees.

Which agreement?
 
Tick, tick, tick.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-nine-votes-from-pm-20110922-1kndy.html

During the last fortnight of Parliament, MPs, especially those in marginal seats, say they have been approached by colleagues loyal to Mr Rudd and told that they would lose their seats if there was not a change.

''I was told 'if you want to keep your seat, you need to change','' one MP told the Herald.

He said the government's push to keep alive the Malaysia plan, even though it was destined for rejection by the Senate, was bleeding the party.

''The atmosphere is despairing but the speculation is low key,'' said one MP who believes change to be inevitable but not soon. ''It will happen, the question is when.''


Some comfort given to the Labor party; none to Gillard:

The Greens leader, Bob Brown, said yesterday his party was in an arrangement with Labor, not Ms Gillard.

''Who Labor appoints as their leader is up to them,'' he said.
 
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Koalas at risk, from climate change and population demographics. The CO2 fertiliser actually makes the gum trees less nutritious.

http://theconversation.edu.au/koalas-people-and-climate-change-not-a-good-mix-3108

As temperatures rise, they have nowhere to run.

Global warming will threaten the survival of koalas by making the eucalyptus leaves on which they feed toxic, scientists warned on Wednesday.
Scientists fear global warming will drive koalas to extinction
Australia’s most endearing marsupial is already under threat from a severe drought and loss of habitat as housing encroaches on woodland.
But higher temperatures and increased carbon dioxide could shut down their food supply, leaving them to starve to death.
New research shows that the level of toxicity in the leaves of eucalyptus saplings rises, and their nutrient content falls, when they are exposed to higher levels of carbon dioxide.
“What currently may be good koala habitat may well become, over a period of not so many years at the rate that carbon dioxide concentrations are rising, very marginal habitat,” said Ian Hume, Emeritus Professor of Biology at Sydney University, who carried out the research.
“I’m sure we’ll see koalas disappearing from their current range even though we don’t see any change in tree species or structure of the forests.”
The koala’s ecological niche is precarious enough as it is - eucalyptus leaves have so little nutritional value that the animals have to sleep for 20 hours a day to conserve energy.


http://www.sosnews.org/newsfront/?p=188

 
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