Australia

[Akhenaten]

I believe this inscription on a monument erected by the Turks to honour the dead at ANZAC cove sums up their feelings about Australians very well


Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side now here in this country of ours... you, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land. They have become our sons as well.

I cant speak for the Britsh, French or Indian forces present at the battle, but it is clear that the Australians, New Zealanders and Turks had a lot of respect for each other almost from the start.

Even at the time, concern was shown for the relationship the two sides of the trenches had, some have even said the ANZACS trusted the Turks more than their own commanding officers. And stories of both sides throwing rations back and forth were not uncommon. Though Bullybeef does not seem to have been to the taste of the Turkish troops.

I believe the ANZAC story will always remain an unbreakable triangle of honour and respect, on its three sides the avenging Abdul , the dour Digger, and the courageous Kiwi.


Gallipoli Slang

Bully (beef)

Tinned beef, which (together with dry biscuits) formed the basis of rations at Gallipoli, as it was always available in abundance. It was hated by the troops, and not only for its monotony. After being stored for a length of time on the beaches in the hot Turkish climate, it all too often turned into a liquid mass of fat. A well-known trench story has it that when supplies were thrown across nomansland to the Turkish positions, a tin of bully came sailing back, together with a note on which was scribbled : 'cigarettes yes, bully beef no'.The only exception to the rule was perhaps 'Maconochie's', a brand of tinned beef that was appreciated by all for its superior quality.

Since they were still serving a similar product during my service, I will vouch for the description of bully beef. We knew it as "Luncheon Meat, Type II, troops for the consumption of". Now I've spammed the thread. Oh noes !!eleven!

 

[Akhenaten]

"Is that you me old china? Strewth cobber, it's good to see yer ugly mug again!

No wuckers over here about coppin' any pony. I don't Adam we've even got a moderator.

G'donyer bloke, yer blood's worth bottlin', fair effin dinkum".

Stolen from a china on another toga.

I spot three English cockney rhyming slangs in there. Me old China.

This is a conundrum! Jeff is actually quoting ME from another thread.


Allow me an explanation.


Jeff is currently learning to speak proper 'Strayan. I am helping him, but so is another, who is a Pomgolian.

Jeff will be trilingual soon, or maybe even quadriligual, since I believe he already speaks New York City as well as English.

Apart from the above, I must point out that there' a great commonality in the rhyming slang of the UK and Australia, due to our British heritage. Some of the terms you will see may be anachronsims in Australia, but I understand them in the majority of cases, and Google is my cobber.

I hasten to assure readers that nobody in Australia, the UK, or NYC speaks the way Jeff and I do here.


Cheers and well spotted, China,

Dave

 

[Akhenaten]

Australia is a lie perpetrated by New Zealand to make itself look better.

Un fect, they refer to ut uz the Wist Island.

 

[SimonD]

@ SimonD

Firstly, an apology to you.

In my earlier post addressed to you I included a link that went to a joke article in Uncyclopædia.

She'll be right, mate.

Akhenaten paints it as a draw, the Kiwi and the Aussie in the street sees it as our finest hour. YMMV

You really have to see the area for yourself to truly understand how much the soldiers suffered. I find it ironic that the greatest victory (with the least amount of dead) was the final withdrawal. Not that I am saying you haven't, just that reading books about what happen does not capture what an incredible moment it was in our history.

Everyone loses in war. I say this as a former soldier.

Even though the Turks won the battle, the cost was very high in men. As you said, ever if you win, you still lose

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side now here in this country of ours... you, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land. They have become our sons as well.

This was said by Ataturk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

If you go to Gallipoli you will hear and see this written everywhere.

 

[SimonD]

Going back to a early post about the Spanish huts that C. Cook got rid of at Little Cove. I was told they were stone huts, our lot don't do stone. (too heavy)

No mention of stone huts in the book 'The Far Shore'. Have you read it Bob. I don't know if you would like it though. It's full of historical documented references.

 

[Akhenaten]

* Yeah, Crow-eaters mainly.

Grrrr...

I love crow. In the course of expressing some of my views, I get to eat a fair bit of it. I might have some now.

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

I believe Wildy and lionking will chip in on this one.

Well I will. Right now in fact.

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR

Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

And that is what the actual words are. What you hear is:

Australians all let us rejoice For weare mnya nya e.
Wigodensoi adwelworwoil owromis GIRT ie
Owrrands raraoun rinratursrits
rofutyrirare
Inistryage
Etevyage
Adan Osraya air
Inoyrurainsrenretusring
Adance Osraya air

And if I remember rightly it's usually silent or a mumble for the second verse. Because very few people know what the second verse is.

my bolding

Silence is golden, representing the Golden Wattle, Australia's National Flower

[foreigner mode]I think it says a lot about a country when even their Olympic athletes don't know their own anthem.[/foreigner mode]

The Australian Youth Choir can't run a four minute mile either, but I take your point.




Cheers mate,

Dave

 

[Mobyseven]

Human settlement began approximately forty thousand (40 000) years ago with the arrival of the Aborigines, now generally and respectfully known as the Koori...

...in south-eastern Australia. Not everywhere.

 

[Akhenaten]

For Wildy:

Bound for South Australia

In South Australia I was born
Heave away. Haul away!
South Australia round Cape Horn
And we're bound for South Australia

Haul away you rolling king
Heave away! Haul away!
All the way you'll hear me sing
And we're bound for South Australia

As I walked out one morning fair
Heave away! Haul away!
It's there I met Miss Nancy Blair
And we're bound for South Australia

There ain't but one thing that grieves my mind
Heave away! Haul away!
It's to leave Miss Nancy Blair behind
And we're bound for South Australia

I run her all night I run her all day
Heave away! Haul away!
Run her before we sailed away
And we're bound for South Australia

I shook her up I shook her down
Heave away! Haul away!
I shook her round and round and round
And we're bound for South Australia

And as you wollop round Cape Horn
Heave away! Haul away!
You'll wish that you had never been born
And we're bound for South Australia

I wish I was on Australia's strand
Heave away! Haul away!
With a bottle of whiskey in my hand
And we're bound for South Australia

In South Australia my native land
Heave away! Haul away!
Full of rocks, and fleas, and thieves, and sand
And we're bound for South Australia​

- auld sea shanty​

Wikipedia

This song was collected from sailors in Tyneside, Northern England, and included in Laura Smith's The Music of the Waters collection in 1888.


Pax

 

[Akhenaten]

Australia. The place where hotels are just as likely to put you up for the night as they are to serve you beer.

Indeed. Pub accomodation is a great cheap alternative when travelling in Oz. My wife and I have enjoyed many trips on this basis. Food is wonderful, staff are friendly and usually good for the best info on what's going on in town.


Cheers

 

[Akhenaten]

This a great thread. I've always wanted to visit Vienna and maybe check out the Alps.

Ziß vill be for you eine most interestgerschtüngel wakationing. Düring your wisit, you may vish to be kalling in to ze Australian Embassy and Permanent Mission to the United Nations Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Slovakia, Slovenia and Ukraine.

Der addreßenheimer ist:

Mattiellistrasse 2-4, 1040 Vienna

Telephone: +43 (0) 1 - 506 740
Fax: +43 (0) 1 - 504 1178
Email: austemb@aon.at


Paßing ön to you zay may be ziß invörmation:


The Australian Alps National Parks

As a well-watered, snow-clad and mountainous area in a mostly dry and flat continent, the Australian Alps with 1.6 million hectares of protected areas are of great significance.

Austria: Area = 82 444 km²

Australian Alps National Parks: Area = 16 000 km²

ie. Approximately 20%. That represents this chunk of Ausralia.

Australian Alps National Parks

The majesty of the Australian Alps present a vision splendid of Australia's rugged landscape, and never fail to impart a feeling of untamed beauty.


Cheers Mate,

Dave

 

[gumboot]

I've always liked Terry Pratchett's description of Australia:

"Everything that isn't poisonous is venomous"

(Or perhaps the other way around).

In all seriousness I look forward to visiting Australia in November for the first time.

 

[Akhenaten]

Actually Joh was a Kiwi.

Norm

Actually, that's only partly true too:

Wikipedia (paraphrased)

Sir Johannes "Joh" Bjelke-Petersen KCMG was born on 13 January 1911 in Dannevirke in the Southern Hawke's Bay region of New Zealand, and lived in Waipukurau, a small town in Hawke's Bay. Bjelke-Petersen's parents were both Danish immigrants

He was one in a million, was old Joh.


And his wife, Lady Flo, gave the world Pumkin Scones.


skål

 

[Akhenaten]

An American tourist arrives at Sydney airport and proceeds to the customs check

Customs Officer: Sir do you have a criminal record?

American: Wow I didn't realise you still needed one

 

[Akhenaten]

All around the great south east, i've lived up at the sunshine coast (my favourite place in the world - mooloolaba), all the way down to the gold coast but currently i have a wonderful 3-bedroom mortgage with my fiancee at beenleigh, about a half an hour south of brisbane.

Kewl as!

Mooloolaba is getting up towards Old Bob's place at Gympie. I have foggy memories of sampling the local produce of Beenleigh.


Yo ho ho and a bottle o' rum,

Dave

 

[Akhenaten]

the maps i was thinkin of were the early ones done by dutch explorers and the like who were to lazy to actually go all the way around the coastline and just made up the rest based on observations. They would've made bloody good aussies, bit of a shame.

The National Library of Australia has examples of the maps you were thinking of.

You can navigate to them from here.


Dutch people DO make bloody good Aussies.

There are 96.000 Dutch born emigrants in Australia and approximately 250,000 Australians with some Dutch blood in them. (2008)

This bloke, Ton Ammerlaan whose site I quoted that from knows all about Dutch stuff in Australia, and he's very good at webbing it.



Zie later u vriend,

Daave

 

[Akhenaten]

i must say theres a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference between modern aussie slang and the cockney spoken by the first fleet.

we tend not to sound like street urchins from dickens but more like crocodile dundee if he was stoned out of his gourd.

Wow! . . . Duuuuuude! It's like . . . sooooo funny you should say that . . .

I was just thinkin' . . . umm . . .

I'm hungry.

 

[Wildy]

Dutch people DO make bloody good Aussies.

There are 96.000 Dutch born emigrants in Australia and approximately 250,000 Australians with some Dutch blood in them. (2008)

More Germans though.

 

[Akhenaten]

She'll be right, mate.

Bonzer!

You really have to see the area for yourself to truly understand how much the soldiers suffered. I find it ironic that the greatest victory (with the least amount of dead) was the final withdrawal. Not that I am saying you haven't, just that reading books about what happen does not capture what an incredible moment it was in our history.

I understand what you mean, I haven't been to Gallipoli but I dearly hope to make it one year.

Even though the Turks won the battle, the cost was very high in men. As you said, ever if you win, you still lose

Yes.

Originally Posted by MG1962

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side now here in this country of ours... you, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land. They have become our sons as well.

This was said by Ataturk

If you go to Gallipoli you will hear and see this written everywhere.

Thank you both.

 

[Akhenaten]

No mention of stone huts in the book 'The Far Shore'. Have you read it Bob. I don't know if you would like it though. It's full of historical documented references.

Just like this thread, which I'm sure Bob is enjoying immensely.

The friendly, meandering way it's developed is a credit to us all.


Cheers,

Dave

 

[Akhenaten]

Human settlement began approximately forty thousand (40 000) years ago with the arrival of the Aborigines, now generally and respectfully known as the Koori.

...in south-eastern Australia. Not everywhere.

I should have checked more carefully before I made my somewhat sweeping statement.


From the KOORI PRACTICE CHECKLIST published by

Ngwala Willumbong Co-operative Ltd

93 Wellington Street, St Kilda, Victoria 3182

Ph: (03) 9510 3233
Fax: (03) 9510 6288
Email: info@ngwala.org

Terms Used To Describe Indigenous People & Services

The term “Koori” has been used throughout this document in reference to indigenous people and services in Victoria. The term Koori is not intended to exclude Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander people from other parts of Australia. Equally the use of the terms Aboriginal and/or Indigenous is intended to be inclusive of all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people throughout Australia.

Ngwala Willumbong Co-operative Ltd also acknowledges that the word “koori” can be offensive to some groups and individuals of the Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander community.

Ngwala Willumbong Co-operative Ltd would like to acknowledge that the Department of Human Services has funded this project.

I appreciate your correction of this error and invite continuing scrutiny of my posts.


Cheers,

Dave