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Australia

So near as I can tell, Straya* is a land of myth, with occasional magical sunsets.

With the help of Google Maps a while back, I calculated that it is possible to drive around the continent/country/island in approximately nine days of driving time. Is that actually possible, or are there sections of roads that are non-existent?

Is it possible to travel by plane over the center of the country?

I'd be interested in dreamtime stories/pre-contact history; what reading would be recommended?

I admit that most of what I "know" about Australia is from books and small conversations with others. Bryce Courtenay wrote a series of three books based in Tasmania (I think), and I found it very interesting, and possibly historically accurate for the time period, but I have no way of knowing.

*And is that really the Koori (didn't know that politically correct term before this morning -- thanks!) name for the land?
 
Damn, I thought this thread was about that crappy Nicole Kidman/Hugh Jackman movie.
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen. May I introduce, to those who may not have met him in the threads, my friend and compatriot, Old Bob.

Bob hails from Gympie, Queensland and he has many stories to tell. I promise you that every one of them will end up going somewhere interesting. Now we're really on a roll.

Please forgive Bob's style of posting, should you feel it worthy of any criticism. We all have our little ways about us. My responses will tidy up a little.

Bob is the inspiration for this thread.


Welcome Bob. The game is afoot!

I meant no offence with regard to your posting style. I can read it just fine. :)


Shrike mentioned the Duyfken. It so happens that we met a tradesman who made parts of the replica. He was making the stern light in Winton and trying to flatten cow horns for the lens of the light (flattened horns polished are transparent and tough). I had the right gear with me so over a few drinks we did the job. That little ship started the modern day exploriation of Australia.


Please follow the links in the Bobquotes™ which lead to external sources of information. A number of posters will let me know if this is not the case.

The story of the replica Duyfken was unknown to me before now. Thank you.

I notice too, that the Winton link above contains this reference to the famous dinosaurs.

Winton Dinosaurs

It was ascertained that these Trackways dated back to the Cretaceous Period, 95 million years ago.


Strewth, that's older than both of us laid end-to-end, or something.


Captan Cook came here with maps to est. a military outpost and got rid of the Spanish huts that were there (about 400). Don't know if anybody was home at the time.


Although I haven't found a reference, I wonder if Cook and his men might have noticed the native gunyahs of the Eora people and mistook them for Spanish huts. 400 dwellings seems a credible number.

The first aboriginals that Cook observed were very cautious of the men from the big ships, and would often melt into the bush when the sailors approached them.



Just more stuff that they don't teach in our schools.


I think they do what they can with the limited time and resources available. Life itself teaches us the best lessons anyway.



Why sail all the way down the coast to land? My reasoning would be is Cook was a Mason and tried to get as close to 33° lat. as possible.


33South.jpg


Additional information: The starting location pin is at Pi-Broadford (wdne). It's sticking out of the ground in the Palace garden, near the shrubbery. Gympie is a bit to the north of the map area.



No doubt England had it all planned to open up Australia by jailing a huge work(slave) force.


England had huge problems with the squalor and overcrowding of both her domestic prisons and her existing penal colonies.

England had ships.

England claimed sovereignty over a continent that turned out to have an area of 7 692 024 square kilometres


WWJD? England loaded a number of prisoners onto ships and sent the First Fleet to Australia.



Instructions from the Home Secretary, Lord Sydney to Captain Arthur Phillip.

. . . We, reposing especial trust and confidence in your loyalty, courage and experience in military affairs, do, by these presents, constitute and appoint you to be Governor of our territory called New South Wales, extending from the northern cape or extremity of the coast called Cape York, in the latitude of 10° 37' south, to the southern extremity of the said territory of New South Wales or South Cape, in the latitude 43° 39' south, and all the country inland and westward as far as the one hundred and thirty-fifth degree of longitude, reckoning from the meridian of Greenwich, including all the islands adjacent in the Pacific Ocean, within the latitude aforesaid of 10° 37' south and 43° 39' south, and of all towns, garrisons, castles, forts and all other fortifications or other military works, which now are or may be hereafter erected upon this said territory. You are therefore carefully and diligently to discharge the duty of Governor in and over our said territory by doing and performing all and all manner of things thereunto belonging, and we do hereby strictly charge and command all our officers and soldiers who shall be employed within our said territory, and all others whom it may concern, to obey you as our Governor thereof; and you are to observe and follow such orders and directions from time to time as you shall receive from us, or any other your superior officer according to the rules and discipline of war, and likewise such orders and directions as we shall send you under our signet or sign manual, or by our High Treasurer or Commissioners of our Treasury, for the time being, or one of our Principal Secretaries of State, in pursuance of the trust we hereby repose in you.

Given at our Court at St, James's, the twelfth day of October 1786, in the twenty-sixth year of our reign.


Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade

Britain decided to use its new outpost as a penal colony. The First Fleet of 11 ships carried about 1500 people – half of them convicts. About 160 000 men and women were brought to Australia as convicts from 1788 until penal transportation ended in 1868. The convicts were joined by free immigrants beginning in the early 1790s.


Wikipedia

Phillip had a very difficult time assembling the fleet which was to make the eight-month sea voyage to Australia. Everything a new colony might need had to be taken, since Phillip had no real idea of what he might find when he got there. There were few funds available for equipping the expedition. His suggestion that people with experience in farming, building and crafts be included was rejected. Most of the 772 convicts (of whom 732 survived the voyage) were petty thieves from the London slums. Phillip was accompanied by a contingent of marines and a handful of other officers who were to administer the colony.


There's no denying that those poor bloody Poms* did it tough. In many ways they were worse off than slaves, whose owners had a vested interest in the well-being of their workforce. Governor Phillip had no choice in the matter, however, since the entire colony found itself in dire straits, and almost starved.

* My reference defines this as a derogatory term. I dispute that this is always true. We Aussies play fast and loose with our epithets and such, and Bob and I are notorious for it. We mean no offence. It's a matter of context really, and we'll show you how it works if you stick with us.


The fact is, that whole crew were slaves to the environment, descibed in her usual manner of highlighting the extremes of our country, by Dorothea Mackellar:


The stark white ring-barked forests,
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon,
Green tangle of the brushes
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops,
And ferns the warm dark soil.



In the strange and dangerous place they had found themselves, it was all uphill, and I suggest that the Marines, the free settlers and the Governor himself, did little better than their charges.

Conditions improved dramatically after the first two hard years, and as the convicts served out their time and joined the free men and women at work on their new home, our nation was founded.


They made it Bob, and here we are. Crikey.


Here is Governor Phillip's legacy


Phillip established the convict colony in NSW, which he governed in a sensible and humane way, despite adverse conditions which included poor quality food, largely infertile land and a lack of experienced farm labour which led to near-famine. He requested to be allowed to return to England in 1790, pleading ill-health, and eventually sailed for England in 1792, leaving a colony with more than 1,700 acres of land under cultivation or cleared and ready for sowing and which, within another year, was almost able to support itself.





The USA has a large stock of prisoners now; have they a plan?


I'll bet they do, but I doubt if it's colonising Australia. They don't even speak the lingo.


As for Australia being the crime country?? We don't lock most up and have little trouble. Some city areas can be a bit rough but on the whole not too bad. Usually a good reason for murder especially tribal.


Yeah, we're doing alright, I think. Gangs are a worry in many parts of the world, and at least it's good to see the authorities doing something about the outlaw motorcycle groups.

Here are some examples of this:

New South Wales

Queensland

Northern Territory

Western Australia


Frankly, I like bickies, especially Tim Tams



Not a bad little post, Bob, and thanks again for your help.


Cheers Mate,

Dave
 
I dispute.

CAN-bra

not

can-BE-ra

Like

MEL-burn

not

mel-BORN

and

BRIS-bn

not

bris-BAYN





I've never been born, like Mel.

And I've never been laid, like Ad.

I've never won, like Dar

And I've never been kneed, Like Syd.


And I've never, no I've never.

No I've never, not ever.


No I've never, seen an astle, like Newc.

- Bob hudson, 1974

From the album The Newcastle Song
 
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It is true that Old Bob taught in the Philosophy Department of the University of Watermaloo?
 
In the Australian language, "Fosters" means beer.


This was very much true at one stage, largely due to the escapades of a bloke by the name of Barry McKenzie



And in the Australian language, "The Central Scrutinizer" means "beaten with cricket bats, stomped upon with Doc Martens and left bleeding and bloody in the gutter outside a Kings Cross brothel".


I've heard that. He may be joking with us though.



Made funnier by the fact that the crap has been brewed in Canada for years, and will be soon manufactured in the USA


Why yes, he was. As we all quite well know, Carlton Draught means beer, Cooper's Original Pale means better beer and Cascade Pale Ale means headache.

Most Queenslanders enjoy Castlemaine Fourex. There is an old tale which says that Queenslanders named this brew "XXXX" because they couldn't spell beer. Old Bob may dispute this, but in any case, the XXXX logo gives rise to the name that non-fourex drinkers have for it - barbed wire.

Another curiosity with this beer is that a person wishing to obtain 12 bottles of it will give his order as "Four dozen X's, thanks mate."


Cheers, literally, and LeChaim to my hebrew mates everywhere.

Time for a beer.
 
The pleasure is all mine. But it is sometimes amazing to consider what a rag tag bunch of sea sick ruffians managed to carve out of the landscape.

I would often sit down by the harbour at night and enjoy the lights of the city and ponder if Arthur Phillip, ever quiet realised what helped to start would become this.


As have I. I'm Sydney born, but most say I have no breeding. :)

Old Bob Was kind enough to bring this very subject up in his first post. I hope we did it justice.


For anyone visiting Sydney as a tourist. I would highly reccomend taking the Manly ferry trip around sunset. As the light dulls and city lights come on, it is an almost magical and calming sensation


It is. And both accessible and affordable.


Here are some pictures of Sydney Harbour:

AerialViewSydney.jpg



Looking back the other way, more or less.

Sydney.jpg




Here is a night scene which is very close to MG1962's description.



I you don't live in Sydney, you're just camping out, some say.
 
Speaker: The member from North Sydney with a point of order.

Joe Hockey: Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister is a complete twit and-

Speaker: THE MEMBER WILL RESUME HIS SEAT! THERE IS NO POINT OF ORDER!



Ahhh, I love question time.


I enjoy watching Joe Hockey and Kevin Rudd sparring with each other on Sunrise.

Regardless of your politics, they put on a good show.
 
Speaking as a non-whinging Pom I'd like to say that I love Australia, and the Australian people*, I had a great few months there and it's a bloody marvellous country. Sydney was spectacular, Melbourne was great, but for me the remote west was unforgettable.

I'm sure there's a variety of striking phrases a true Aussie could use to describe your state of mind f you think you can drive round it in nine days though, HawaiiBigSis. Nine days!


*well, nearly all of them
 
Oz has more venemous species of anything you care to mention than anywhere else in the world -- hell, everywhere else in the world.

You can die from heat stroke or under a snow avalanche.

In parts of the Nularbor, you pay for water by the glass, cash across the bar, or go thirsty -- very thirsty when it's 120 F on Christmas Day.

The crocodiles grow to 25 feet. On a diet of incautious tourists.

Damn! but I can't stay away much longer!
 
It should be Lieutenant Cook. He wasn't made post until 1775. The king
personally handed him his commission. If you insist on his later rank then
you'll have to add his scientific credentials too; Captain James Cook FRS RN


You appear to be entirely correct. Here is some evidence:


Captain Cook Timeline

30 July 1775

'Resolution' returns with Cook to England after 3 years & 18 days, and anchors at Spithead. he is received by King George III.


12 July 1776

Cook's third voyage of discovery is to be his last. He sets sail on his promotion to Captain, with 'Resolution' and 'Discovery', the latter not joining up until 1st August. Objectives of the voyage are further exploration of the Pacific and to investigate the presence of an exit from the North West Passage.


England's greatest mariner, explorer and navigator

The two ships returned to England, via Cape Horn, on 29 July 1775. The experimental diets and close attention to cleanliness had a miraculous effect: out of a crew of 118, only one man was lost to disease!

Since public interest was high, the many paintings by the artists were widely displayed and published as engravings. James Cook was also awarded the Copley Gold Medal and elected as a fellow of the Royal Society.


I acknowledge my omission of the great man's complete set of post-nominal letters, and thank you for the correction.

I also note that many references use the form Captain James Cook RN., FRS.

I'd say it's iffy, and the order might just depend on whether the biographer is a military man or a scientist. ;)



Here is another interesting Captain Cook FRS RN fact:


Captain Cook's Cottage was built in both North Yorkshire, England and in Melbourne, Australia. It appears to have settled down these days.



Here is a tribute to James Cook:

Although world renowned as an explorer. Captain James Cook RN., FRS, was essentially a technician and his skill as a surveyor and draughtsman were to set the seal on the quality of British prepared charts which still exists today. His work led to the formation of the Royal Navy Survey Squadrons whose charts are second to none with every ship afloat carrying its share of Admiralty Charts.

Cook rose from the humble farm labourer's cottage to being commissioned in the Royal Navy, received by George III and acknowledged by the country for his achievements. It was said of him: " His general knowledge was extensive and various... the most determined resolution, he pursued his object with unshaken perseverance... Cool and intrepid among dangers : patient and firm under difficulties and distress... In every situation he stood unrivalled and alone; on him all eyes were turned: he was our leading star, which at its setting left us involved in darkness and despair".


© The Captain Cook Tourism Association



Gosh.
 
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I don't know where you people get your information, but everything posted so far is wrong, wrong, wrong.

First, it's spelled "Austria".

Second, it's not an island; it's a landlocked country in Central Europe.

Seriously. Can't you people do a little bit of research before posting?


Ach! Buggeren! I vish I am noticing this zooner. Now I vill haff to be geshtarting again. Danke for catching ziss misstöken before ze tanks are beginning mitt der rolling into Pola before I mention ze var.


Alzo, ist not gerschpelt "worng, worng, worng"?


Cheeren


Hans
 
Our Coat of Arms was chosen not by taste but because both creatures can't reverse. Hence the nation can't go backwards (smart thinking) They act the same as the Government, steal and break the farmer. One roo eats the same amount of grass as about 4 sheep and the emu fouls pasture so cattle won't eat it and then it busts fences. Their feathers are bullet proof from light calibre but not from the back end. A sight to be seen is a big emu run through a fence at high speed. This is how it can be Gidgi fire, sun set in the sticks, marinated emu steaks, bottle of red and soft sand. Plus a little Aeroguard ........
 
Two islands actually. Your omission likely resulted from my error in the OP in failing to acknowledge our Southern Gem, the beautiful island state of Tasmania.


From my book-learning at school we was taught that tazzy is linked to the mainland by a land bridge that since the first fleet landed has gone under water. If i remember rightly tazzy was called van diemens land then.

edit - regardless, tazzy has awesome landscapes and best of all, the beer they make with the tazzy tiger on it, cascade i think, bloody bewdiful
 
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You mean you moved to the West Island, my Anzac brother.


;)


ETA: In typical Australian fashion, the Turks, against whom we once fought many fierce battles, are now our good mates.

Greetings to you; you are also my brothers-in-arms and it was a bloody good stoush. A draw, I believe.


A Turkish memorial to their fallen opponents

More of the same


That is respect.

Having spent ANZAC day in Turkey in 2008, I would have to say that while all the tour guides paint it as a draw, the Turk in the street sees it as a great victory. They seem to have forgetton that while they may have won the battle, they lost the war.
 
So near as I can tell, Straya* is a land of myth, with occasional magical sunsets.

The "magical sunsets" is a myth. We actually have real sunsets. They're magic.

D'oh


With the help of Google Maps a while back, I calculated that it is possible to drive around the continent/country/island in approximately nine days of driving time. Is that actually possible, or are there sections of roads that are non-existent?

Eleven days is the best I know of for a round-trip, by a mate of mine on a BMW R100RS. I'd love to hear from others about their best times. Some of the roads are similar to what you would see in the Paris-Dhakar Rally, others are Freeways. You can't do it in the Wet Season, from October - May because the top bit is covered with water which is full of crocodiles hunting taipan snakes and you for lunch. Alternatively, you can bypass this bit and go around the North coast in a small boat with an outboard motor, known as a tinny. (because it's made out of aluminium) You're pretty safe at sea from the crocodiles, because the sharks eat most of them

I've done it all myself, except for Tassy, but not all in one hit.


Is it possible to travel by plane over the center of the country?

An aircraft from my squadron set a record for doing this very thing. Less extreme commercial flights are readily accessible over the Red Heart.


Pilatus Porter Facts

On 8th August 1983, Dennis Coffey captained A14-701, an Australian Army PC-6/B1-H2, from Carnarvon, on the West Coast of Australia (in Western Australia) to Brisbane on the East Coast (Queensland) and established a certified World Record in the category of "Distance in a straight line" - some 3,893 kilometres, which was set by flying as high as 27,000 feet and in minus 41 degrees celsius temperatures. The crew also achieved two Australian (national) records during the flight.

I helped to maintain this particular aircraft for many years. It crashed and burned in Vietnam years before this record-breaking flight and all that was recovered was the brass serial number plate from the empennage. This was all we needed to order spare parts, so we ordered many, many spare parts and rebuilt the aircraft.

We appear to have done it rather well. :)

Another of "my" aircraft is in the Australian War Memorial, Canberra. It's a Bell 3G-B1 Sioux helicopter, similar to those seen on M*A*S*H. We referred to the Sioux as the S-ten-UX in the same way that a bird became a B-one-RD.


I'd be interested in dreamtime stories/pre-contact history; what reading would be recommended?

That will become one of the more fascinating aspects of this thread, and it will be huge. The story has been 40 000 years in the making, and we're still adding to it.

The subject will come up often, since the ancient heritage of Australia affects many aspects of who we are today, and the Koori are an integral part of that heritage.

You'll just have to be Patient™


I admit that most of what I "know" about Australia is from books and small conversations with others. Bryce Courtenay wrote a series of three books based in Tasmania (I think), and I found it very interesting, and possibly historically accurate for the time period, but I have no way of knowing.

Yes and no. 1 billion times better than Dan Brown, Bryce Courtenay doesn't write reference books, but the settings for his stories are accurate.

You must read some Ion Idriess books.

I hope this thread will flesh out your knowledge of our country, as it meanders along.


*And is that really the Koori (didn't know that politically correct term before this morning -- thanks!) name for the land?

Koori is as polite and respectful as say, Innuit, or Maori, or Masai. It's the name of their people. There are many clans and tribes under the blamket term of Koori. Context and delivery are the keys, as is the case everywhere.

I don't quite catch your meaning about the Koori name for Australia. All the blokes I've ever met call it Australia.

Different tribes, speaking different dialects, would have different names for their surroundings, and given their limited personal mobilty and lack of Google Earth, I doubt they would have felt a need to develop a concept of the Australian continent as a whole, although trade between clans, and stories of the dreaming would have given them a fair idea that it was really, really big.


Thank you for your brief question. Now go away!



:D

Cheers
 
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