August Stundie Nominations

[Cl1mh4224rd]

By request, I asked and received this response, in full:

The birth of the United States? The first steps into space? Landing a man on the moon? Nuclear power? Organ transplants? The Internet? Advances in our understanding of the universe far beyond anything Galileo himself could have imagined?

All that would be meaningless if some angsty, rebellious teenagers don't repeatedly spew "9/11 was an inside job!" on a handful of message boards across the Internet?

Really?

That kid severely overstates his position and his movement's position in the human race.

 

[carlitos]

It's worse than you think. That kid is a fiction writer in his 40's. He can type a lot of words, but doesn't have super-duper logic skillz.

ETA - He never did explain the 'scare quotes' around 'civilisation' in his post.

 

[Elizabeth I]

that obviously from somone who doesn't realize how much Hollywood has to turn them down. Last explosion I heard was simply a tire blow out on a bus. Literally thought a bomb had gone off. I saw people hit the deck.

A couple of weeks ago, I just had a piece of tire tread blow off (not even a full tire blowout), and I thought someone had shot at me.

 

[releaseeabode]

This will never win. It doesn't have the stundiliousness to bring home the prize. Besides if anyone were to check up on the context of my comments, they'll find that Beachnut's assertion that the WTC towers were built to collapse in a specified way the real winner of that illustrious exchange. Not likely since you guys don't like to pick on your own.

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

 

[Nick Terry]

I nominate the exceedingly unpleasant 'shyster' over at RODOH for the following remark

I do find it strange that Revisionist gurus such as Mattogno haven't realised that the Soviet's reconstructed these buildings after the German's had left. Of course, Pressac knew damn well they had but overlooked it intentionally; we know this because he himself photographed the ceiling of LK2 with the formwork still on it. Of course, everyone now knows that Soviets reconstructed Krema 1, so why the fuss over the other so-called killing installations?

Sorry, it needs a bit of context: shyster is a Krema Denier, the Holocaust denial equivalent of a no-planer, and Mattogno is the leading Holocaust denier author.

Oh, okay, it was crap.

 

[tuc0]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

Mmmmm. Delicious irony. Your nomination even has a chance to win. Just not the way you seem to think it does.

 

[Dave Rogers]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

From Wikipedia:

In physics, energy (from the Greek ἐνέργεια - energeia, "activity, operation", from ἐνεργός - energos, "active, working"[1]) is a scalar physical quantity that describes the amount of work that can be performed by a force, an attribute of objects and systems that is subject to a conservation law.

Energy is not just equal to the ability to do useful work, it is defined as the ability to do useful work. Therefore, the comment that really should be Stundied here is:

5. It is also flawed because he has to invent an Energy to Work conversion process based upon an accumulation of mass under gravity to justify a "One way crush down" that may not even have happened and may not even be necessary to have happened to cause the collapse!

which contains the clear iimplication that Zdenek Bazant invented the First Law of Thermodynamics.

So I'd like to nominate that one instead.

Dave

 

[Horatius]

which contains the clear iimplication that Zdenek Bazant invented the First Law of Thermodynamics.

So I'd like to nominate that one instead.

Dave

I suspect he'll weasel about the limitation "useful Work". Note his reference to gasoline; I'm sure he'll make some analogy to engine conversion efficiencies, and chose to ignore the fact that a big-ass mass falling down is significantly different from the typical internal combustion engine.

 

[Travis]

Not often does a Stundie originate in the Stundies.

 

[Trifikas]

Does it count as him nominating himself? Might be the first winner to do that...

 

[sylvan8798]

re: "If the OCT is allowed to stand unchallenged then human 'civilisation' is set-back by almost 400 years."

By request, I asked and received this response, in full:

I was referring to the trial of Gallileo. 1633-ish.

Oh, well that certainly clarifies it (not).

 

[jaydeehess]

We can try a little experiment. I will nominate this and see where it goes

Originally Posted by releaseeabode
1. The Energy in a mass and it's ability to do useful Work are two entirely different things.
Reply from R.Mackey
Not really.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4993242#post4993242

The fuel crisis is solved! There is no difference in the energy contained in your gasoline and the energy available from it to do useful Work. Genius!

In your analogy the energy crisis is only solved if you can accomplish a 100% efficiency in the engine's conversion of the energy released by the gasoline into the type of work you will be making use of

The work done however is still there and equal to the amount of energy released when the fuel burns. The problem is that most of that work is involved in heating things up.

 

[jaydeehess]

In Heiwa universe I could survive this! No problem... It's just puffy snow
[qimg]http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7197/avalanche1788336uz5.jpg[/qimg]

heiwa is not saying that the snow would not suffocate you, only that it would not crush you. Heck its so light and fluffy compared to a human body, or a tree, or a structure that it would not even knock such things down as it passed over them any more than a fog rolling in can push anyone around.

Moving air can't harm anything or anyone either, after all its so much lighter than a building or a human.

oh, and the conservation of momentum or energy does not exist either.

 

[beachnut]

This will never win. It doesn't have the stundiliousness to bring home the prize. Besides if anyone were to check up on the context of my comments, they'll find that Beachnut's assertion that the WTC towers were built to collapse in a specified way the real winner of that illustrious exchange. Not likely since you guys don't like to pick on your own.

Still looking up how the WTC was built? Cool

I respect the fact you left running from the other thread when you found out Robertson said the building fell as it was expected to fall making your quibbling possible grounds for a lifetime Stundie.

Robertson said, “the collapse mechanism of the trade center, is as we anticipated it would be, when we first designed it” StevenJones_LeslieRobertson_20061026.mp3

So you are in the right thread adding to your possible lifetime achievement. Robertson's statement is evidence of gravity collapse and as the top expert on the WTC towers he thinks the controlled demolition ideas are poppycock. Making the entire controlled demolition idea a big Stundie.

 

[RedIbis]

Still looking up how the WTC was built? Cool

I respect the fact that you appeared not to want to continue that discussion in the other thread, do you really want to continue it here?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I respect the fact that you appeared not to want to continue that discussion in the other thread, do you really want to continue it here?

It should be mentioned that the stundie nomination, was related more to you attributing two different meanings to words which in the context of their use... mean the same thing (example: "Built to withstand" vs "designed to withstand"). What compelled you to split hairs like that... only you really know... you're the guy that wrote it... I ain't gonna play psychic on why you did it.

 

[releaseeabode]

I suspect he'll weasel about the limitation "useful Work". Note his reference to gasoline; I'm sure he'll make some analogy to engine conversion efficiencies, and chose to ignore the fact that a big-ass mass falling down is significantly different from the typical internal combustion engine.

Horatius, "poisons the well" and so it starts.

I was VERY, VERY specific about USEFUL work, it is not a weasel as you would like to suggest. I very specifically stated my terms of reference.

I have no intention of elaborating further as I believe it would be against the commonly held tenet that the Stundie should stand alone. It does that very well without my added support.

You are however, very welcome to my ignore list.

 

[releaseeabode]

Mmmmm. Delicious irony. Your nomination even has a chance to win. Just not the way you seem to think it does.

Oops, missed this one, apologies to Horatius for accusing him of being the one to get the ball rolling. tuc0 gets in there first with the "Irony of your nomination" running pattern.

Welcome to my ignore list tuc0

 

[releaseeabode]

In your analogy the energy crisis is only solved if you can accomplish a 100% efficiency in the engine's conversion of the energy released by the gasoline into the type of work you will be making use of

The work done however is still there and equal to the amount of energy released when the fuel burns. The problem is that most of that work is involved in heating things up.

That was why I was VERY, VERY specific in saying USEFUL Work. Something that I would have expected any knowledgeable working Engineer to have recognised. I think it is R.Mackey that you should be trying to school, not me.

Hence the ensuing hilarity!

 

[R.Mackey]

You'll all excuse me if I don't clear a spot on my mantle for the trophy.

Pretty funny. He humiliates himself last night -- I believe I was the first to go on his precious Ignore list -- and then instantly tries to Pwn me this way. Predictable.

We really need better trolls around here.