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ATTACK for Fail

Now the Obama campaign will hit back with Palin's Husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party,a group certainly as kooky as the Weather Underground.
This is not to excuse or defend Ayers membership in that bunch of dangerous wackos, it's just to show that Palin might be forgetting the "People Who Live In GLass Houses" rule.
And the Palin incident is a lot more recent.

My "Plague On Both Your Houses" attitude is growing daily.
And the worst idiots of all are those who criticise the other party for doing exactly what their party is doing.
 
And,yeah, Obama has had some dealings with some pretty unsavory characters in Chicago politics. You don't get anyplace in Illinois politics without dealing with some fairly scummy people. Niether Party in Illinois is know for being a shining example of clean politics.
 
dudalb said:
Now the Obama campaign will hit back with Palin's Husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party,a group certainly as kooky as the Weather Underground.
This is not to excuse or defend Ayers membership in that bunch of dangerous wackos, it's just to show that Palin might be forgetting the "People Who Live In GLass Houses" rule.
And the Palin incident is a lot more recent.

My "Plague On Both Your Houses" attitude is growing daily.
And the worst idiots of all are those who criticise the other party for doing exactly what their party is doing.
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Why don't you wait until the Obama campaign (and not some independent left-wing group) does what you say they're going to do before you cast a plague on their house.

I'm all for parity, but not parity for parity's sake.
 
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dudalb said:
Now the Obama campaign will hit back with Palin's Husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party,a group certainly as kooky as the Weather Underground.
This is not to excuse or defend Ayers membership in that bunch of dangerous wackos, it's just to show that Palin might be forgetting the "People Who Live In GLass Houses" rule.
And the Palin incident is a lot more recent.
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Not only is the Palin incident a lot more recent it is a lot more relevant. Obama isn't married to Ayers and Palin wasn't 8 years old when her husband was a member of AIP. To use your glass house analogy, she was living IN the glass house, Obama was just living in the same neighborhood as it.
 
kallsop said:
The usual media suspects are now running with the theme that McCain is going to attack Obama's character. I have no idea what that means. If it's talking about Obama's relationship with rotten preachers and the like, it's a legitimate talking point but it's not going to be an effective strategy. This campaign isn't about what Obama has done to make him qualified to be President, which would be a very short discussion and McCain towers above in that area. The media will avoid that line of thought at all costs.

McCain had a chance to really drive home his economic prudence by opposing the >$800B pork rich bailout. McCain just got in line with the other pickpockets. Barring an October surprise, McCain just lost the election.
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The catch is that McCain can't really even use the preacher card on Obama anymore. Beyond the fact that Obama has criticized Wright, Palin's minister isn't that clean as well. I mean, the guy used to conduct real live witch hunts....and even Palin thinks that the last refuge in the end times will be Alaska.
 
ZenFountain said:
Most of us agreed in What's McCain's Next Play? thread that going on the negative was really all McCain had left. It's unfortunate that when our economy is on the brink of meltdown we're going to have the news channels plastered with this frivolous crap and I find it shocking that McCain is going to go down the road of past associates. If this becomes a campaign theme in TV ads in such, Keating Five will inevitably jump out of the closet on McCain. How does he defend himself then?
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In that thread, on Friday I actually predicted that McCain's campaign would resurrect this William Ayers thing. Damn, it's like I'm psychic :rolleyes:

Yes, McCain/Palin are unbelievably desperate when they resort to such blatant lies such as these. Usually, such "swift-boating" would be done by a separate group, such as a 527, rather than by the actual candidates or campaign. By making these comments publicly, Palin has tied McCain's campaign to them, for good or ill (I'm betting ill - I sense big blowback on this). Now McCain will be forced to defend these outrageous statements, whether he wants to or not.

There is already blowback, according to this article...

Analysis: Palin's words may backfire on McCain

... In her character attack, Palin questions Obama's association with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground. Her reference was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career. ...
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So the press is already debunking this one (it's been debunked numerous times before) and challenging McCain's campaign on it. I read another article that stated that when questioned on her false statements, Palin said that the "Associated Press was wrong." :rolleyes:

Wow. This is going to get way worse before it gets any better.
 
kallsop said:
McCain had a chance to really drive home his economic prudence by opposing the >$800B pork rich bailout. McCain just got in line with the other pickpockets. Barring an October surprise, McCain just lost the election.
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I think this may be one of the reasons why McCain's campaign has drunk the Kool-Aid with the nutty "Obama pals around with terrorists" gambit. Because of his support of the economic bailout, McCain pissed off a whole lot of conservatives, so he has to do something to bring them back into the fold, as it were.

It may work, but I think at the same time it will backfire and alienate a great number of independents and undecideds that McCain needs to win. There simply aren't enough hardcore conservatives in the country for him to win without a decent amount of the political middle.

I agree with you - McCain is finished, barring some kind of amazing October Surprise or phenomenal gaffe on Obama's part.
 


Perhaps I'm over analyzing, but there really is a sense of desperation in the air in this clip. If you're going to attack someone don't be disingenuous and trite.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Another way it could backfire is that McCain's Christmas Card List includes his own version of Ayers: G. Gordon Liddy
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The word on the Internet is that the Democrats are going to hit back at McCain hard - recall that it was McCain who was involved with the infamous "Keating Five" of the massive savings & loan scandal in the late 80s. That will likely hurt McCain much more than this Ayers business will hurt Obama, because McCain is actually on record as stating that his involvement with that group was one of the biggest mistakes of his life, and it also ties right into the economic & financial situation facing the country.

One thing is for sure, this last month of the election will not be boring.
 
MattusMaximus said:
The word on the Internet is that the Democrats are going to hit back at McCain hard - recall that it was McCain who was involved with the infamous "Keating Five" of the massive savings & loan scandal in the late 80s.
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I rather wish they wouldn't, but I don't think they can afford that luxury. Until the election is over, there are always going to be those who wonder why they aren't hitting back, why they didn't use all the tools it took to win. Just the nature of the contest, unfortunately.

That doesn't mean one can't hit back in a more or less factually accurate manner. There is a line, one that "Obama associates with terrorists" crosses and leaves over the horizon. I'd hope the responses are more... responsible.
 
MattusMaximus said:
The word on the Internet is that the Democrats are going to hit back at McCain hard - recall that it was McCain who was involved with the infamous "Keating Five" of the massive savings & loan scandal in the late 80s. That will likely hurt McCain much more than this Ayers business will hurt Obama, because McCain is actually on record as stating that his involvement with that group was one of the biggest mistakes of his life, and it also ties right into the economic & financial situation facing the country.

One thing is for sure, this last month of the election will not be boring.
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Ugh. I can't say if I'm pleased or displeased. On one hand I really, really, really hate the politics of dredging up every single association or scandal in a person's past and smacking them in the face with it.

On the other hand, after 2004, it's very fair to say the Democrats tried fighting fire with water. They tried answering the mudboat veterans, they tried to avoid that. And like John McCain himself learned in 2000, it doesn't work. If the Republicans really haven't learned their lesson maybe it's time to pull out all the stops, fire with fire, MoveOn.org style, and take no prisoners. It won't do much for a spirit of cooperation, or any sort of coalition, and even though I think Obama can win without it (and probably be in a better place) it might be worth it just to demonstrate that you don't want to go that route.

I won't support that, but I definitely won't decry it like I've done in the past. And I will defend it by citing multiple instances of the neoconservatives doing the same. At some point, it is time to say:

Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.
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Listen carefully to the first seven words Palin said in the clip Zen posted in #31: "I was readin' today a copy of ..." What the hell kind of accent is that? I've been to Alaska many times but never heard anyone talk like that. Idaho - I don't know. Or is this just more effort at being folksy?
 
MattusMaximus said:
One thing is for sure, this last month of the election will not be boring.
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I'm not so sure. Nothing, I mean NOTHING new is going to come out in October. More mindless stump speeches. More character attacks. More contentless ads. Blah, blah, blah. I'm tired of it and ready for the whole thing to be over. We've been at this for nearly two years. Think of the money being wasted.

Yeah, yeah, here I am posting in the election forum. Shoot me. Please. :)
 
SezMe said:
Listen carefully to the first seven words Palin said in the clip Zen posted in #31: "I was readin' today a copy of ..." What the hell kind of accent is that? I've been to Alaska many times but never heard anyone talk like that. Idaho - I don't know. Or is this just more effort at being folksy?
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Maybe the result of a stroke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_accent_syndrome
 
dudalb said:
Now the Obama campaign will hit back with Palin's Husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party,a group certainly as kooky as the Weather Underground.
This is not to excuse or defend Ayers membership in that bunch of dangerous wackos, it's just to show that Palin might be forgetting the "People Who Live In GLass Houses" rule.
And the Palin incident is a lot more recent.

My "Plague On Both Your Houses" attitude is growing daily.
And the worst idiots of all are those who criticise the other party for doing exactly what their party is doing.
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And Obama isn't married to Ayers either.
 
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