Atkins suing USA over ATF ruling on rifles.

[casebro]

Something else to roll your eyes at. The History Channel's Extreme Marksmen program featured a guy who was able to shoot his 1911 pistol ten times in about 0.9 seconds, this is about 650 rounds per minute. The technique was interesting; he held the pistol in his left hand and used his right finger to pull the trigger. I think he may have been bump firing it.

Ranb

I saw that show last night. He was shooting ammo of such light loads that there was almost no recoil- no muzzle jump, making it very easy to get all those high-rate bullets on target. But I suppose the gun was tuned for bump-firing, and so was the highly practiced shooter. I'd love to have his ammo budget.

 

[Ranb]

I have never tried bump firing, but I guess an iron grip to reduce muzzle flip and bump firing are not compatible. I know that some of the top shooters do not buy their own ammo, they are sponsored by manufacturers.

Ranb

 

[ponderingturtle]

Something else to roll your eyes at. The History Channel's Extreme Marksmen program featured a guy who was able to shoot his 1911 pistol ten times in about 0.9 seconds, this is about 650 rounds per minute. The technique was interesting; he held the pistol in his left hand and used his right finger to pull the trigger. I think he may have been bump firing it.

Ranb

I saw that and thought the same thing.

But there is a difference between a trick done in highly controled conditions, and something that can get the same effect in more general conditions.

 

[Drudgewire]

Something else to roll your eyes at. The History Channel's Extreme Marksmen program featured a guy who was able to shoot his 1911 pistol ten times in about 0.9 seconds, this is about 650 rounds per minute.

Well, it's 650 rounds if he has a magazine that holds 650 shots. Otherwise reloading is going to slow him down a little bit.

 

[Ranb]

The same thing can be said about every other magazine fed weapon such as the ar-15 or ak-47.

 

[Ranb]

Akins Inc is now seeking injunctive relief. http://www.georgiapacking.org/docs/akins2/Doc 1 Complaint.pdf

Ranb

 

[madurobob]

Interesting. The complaint seeks either

1. a declaration that the BATF was "arbitrary, capricious, without factual support and contrary to law" along with an injunction allowing the device to be sold plus payment for legal fees. Or,
2. A declaration that 26 USC 5845(b) is unconstitutional

I bet they don't get either one. What they might get is a declaration that the devise IS a machine gun according to 26 USC 5845(b) and that the BATF made a mistake in initially declaring it within the legal bounds of 26 USC 5845(b). That may lead to damages to Akins because of the BATF "mistake".

On an unrelated note, I finally - thanks to prodding from this post - removed that bloated POS that is Adobe Acrobat Reader and replaced it with Foxit Reader. I don't know what took me so long - Foxit is far superior and loads in the blink of an eye. No more waiting 2 minutes for Adobe to load and no more finding that Adobe has left resource hogging processes running in the background after its been shut down.

 

[ServiceSoon]

Update from Bill Akins.

The below link has just been released to various 2nd amendment and firearm sites (along with this one) online.

There have been numerous inaccuracies online regarding the recent federal district court order granting the ATF's motion to dismiss my case without hearing it. Until now, people have only had access to and read the federal district court's order and have not seen all the briefs and pleadings regarding the case and therefore could not possibly understand the case and its issues.

In my continuing effort to inform former customers, supporters of the 2nd amendment and the firearms community at large, I have asked my attorney John Monroe to post and make available a link to all briefs and pleadings concerning the case. There is much I would like to be able to say, but since we are appealing the case to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, I cannot answer any questions nor comment on any particulars of the case at this time. All the briefs and pleadings for the federal district court case are contained in the below link with the exception of over 160 pages of discovery information of which many of the pertinent points are covered in the briefs and pleadings. All people have to do is read it. Hopefully this will clear up any misconceptions and misinformation currently existing online. Please feel free to disburse this at your website or any online site. Here is the link....

http://www.georgiapacking.org/docs/akins2/

Sincerely, Bill Akins
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[Ranb]

Thanks for the link. It is rather humbling for me to know how little I understand the law and how complicated it is. It might be a bit less complicated if they just stuck with "by a single function of the trigger" instead of interpreting it to mean single function of the trigger finger.

Ranb

 

[WildCat]

It might be a bit less complicated if they just stuck with "by a single function of the trigger" instead of interpreting it to mean single function of the trigger finger.

Ranb

But but but think about the unemployed lawyers if they made it that simple!

 

[madurobob]

But but but think about the unemployed lawyers if they made it that simple!

Yes, but be honest - if the law read "single function of the trigger finger" then folks with a lust for automatic weapons would simply create some device that they'd contend does not technically count as the "trigger finger". We'd have the same situation from a different angle

That's why we have courts to decide if things like this, while fitting the letter of the law, are in fact designed to defeat the intent of the law. It was clear to me from the outset that the Akins Accelerator was just such a device. Its also equally clear that the BATF acted shamefully and should be held accountable for some level of damages, but that doesn't change the fact that the device violated the intent of the law.

 

[Ranb]

Zombie thread awakens!

A 6th Circuit appeals court has decided that bump stocks are not machine guns. Not sure how this will affect areas outside of their jurisdiction. If Biden had thought of regulating all semi-auto firearms capable of bump fire like Trump did (NFA 1934) with bump stocks, this decision might be an obstacle.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/25/bump-stocks-not-machine-guns-and-not-subject-atf-b/

The 6th Circuit ruling said that the presumptions granted to regulatory agencies should not have been applied by Judge Maloney, in large part because the ATF regulation was factually incorrect.

“And because we find that ‘single function of the trigger’ refers to the mechanical process of the trigger, we further hold that a bump stock cannot be classified as a machine gun because a bump stock does not enable a semiautomatic firearm to fire more than one shot each time the trigger is pulled,” the panel wrote.

The judges referenced the 2018 bump stock ban by Trump, but I think it may also apply to the earlier ban on the Akins Accelerator stock.

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/21a0070p-06.pdf

Judge Eric Murphy is a Trump appointee. I wonder if Trump cares that one of his judges has opposed his gun grab? I hope so.