Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

[Doubt]

I wonder what is on the next episode of the angry clown show?

 

[The Big Dog]

TBD: Why are there state-approved religions in China?

because even autocratic atheist cult leaders cannot defeat humanity's innate belief in the Almighty Creator.

 

[The Big Dog]

I wonder what is on the next episode of the angry clown show?

Odd that one would use the phrase clown show in a thread about pervasive human rights abuses.

 

[Doubt]

Odd that one would use the phrase clown show in a thread about pervasive human rights abuses.

It is an observation on the nature of the thread and the circular argument that keeps it going.

 

[Thor 2]

Why does it need parrying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XwHmOkNUhw

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Amusing as that video is there is a grain of truth there. A new inquisition may be needed to wake some up.

I meet so many who are at pains to show how accepting they are, of the religious beliefs of others. I find you have to hold examples of religious interference in the lives of others in front of their faces, for them to see. Even so some hand wave it away.

The problem is those that feel the heel of religious oppression are minorities or far removed from our comfortable life in the West. The LGBT in our countries and the people of Africa, being discriminated against on the one hand, and being denied the use of condoms in the other, just for example. This is by mainstream religions like Catholicism.

I also am quite accepting of believers of woo, if they in turn are accepting and do not try to control others. I do have some reservation about the believers who thing we are in "End Times" now however, because the preservation of our planet would have a low priority as a consequence of this belief.

 

[Crossbow]

Odd that one would use the phrase clown show in a thread about pervasive human rights abuses.

So do you actually care about human rights?

I have asked you this question repeatedly and yet you have continually failed to answer it.

 

[jimbob]

Coming to compromising* arrangements with the state power is what the Church has done from the time of Constantine.


*And yes, I did mean to write it that way.

happens when you have faithful living under the thumb of tyrannical anti-religious fanatics, not ideal.

You are describing a very recent and very small subset of the occasions when the Church has acted to support the temporal power as opposed to justice or the teachings of the bible.

From Constantine, the Church, and after the Great Schism, the only times the Church didn't make such compromises with the local temporal power was when the Church was the power itself, or was in conflict with it over normal geopolitics, not ideology.

It also instigated campaigns against contrary beliefs, with tortures of those who didn't agree.

Freedom of religion? There was freedom to obey the Church.

 

[The Big Dog]

You are describing a very recent and very small subset

Small in the term of numbers, and not in terms of bodies wracked up by Unyielding Marxist Atheists, I presume.

(although I would certainly agree that ongoing human rights violations by the atheist cult in charge of China qualifies as "very recent")

 

[Brainache]

Small in the term of numbers, and not in terms of bodies wracked up by Unyielding Marxist Atheists, I presume.

(although I would certainly agree that ongoing human rights violations by the atheist cult in charge of China qualifies as "very recent")

Oh now I get it. The Chinese are upstart late-comers trying to steal the Catholic's abuse crown.

The RCC have been at it for over a thousand years, violating human rights all over the world, raping, torturing and killing opponents whenever they can, but now these johnny-come-lately Chinese Communists start doing it and suddenly it's a bad thing...

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh now I get it. The Chinese are upstart late-comers trying to steal the Catholic's abuse crown.

The RCC have been at it for over a thousand years, violating human rights all over the world, raping, torturing and killing opponents whenever they can, but now these johnny-come-lately Chinese Communists start doing it and suddenly it's a bad thing...

No, you don’t get it, and I was not speaking solely of the Chinese, I was referring to all atheist cults which turned genocide into an industrial process. Recently as in today, and not a thousand years ago.

But you got to ignore the ongoing human rights abuses and spew out whatabout Medieval Catholics!

 

[Thor 2]

Small in the term of numbers, and not in terms of bodies wracked up by Unyielding Marxist Atheists, I presume.

(although I would certainly agree that ongoing human rights violations by the atheist cult in charge of China qualifies as "very recent")

Oh now I get it. The Chinese are upstart late-comers trying to steal the Catholic's abuse crown.

The RCC have been at it for over a thousand years, violating human rights all over the world, raping, torturing and killing opponents whenever they can, but now these johnny-come-lately Chinese Communists start doing it and suddenly it's a bad thing...

They have a lot of catching up to do, the Chinese Communists that is.

But wait, The Big Dog has slipped up here. He is referring to an "atheist cult", not us mainstream followers of the Atheist Religion. We're off the hook.

 

[Brainache]

No, you don’t get it, and I was not speaking solely of the Chinese, I was referring to all atheist cults which turned genocide into an industrial process. Recently as in today, and not a thousand years ago.

I think you mean totalitarian regimes that favour some religions over others, you know, just like Catholics have done whenever they hold power.

But you got to ignore the ongoing human rights abuses and spew out whatabout Medieval Catholics!

I didn't mention medieval Catholics, I just said that Catholics have been doing it for over a thousand years. I didn't mean to imply that they had stopped. Sorry for the confusion.

Now what are you doing about the ongoing human rights abuses by the Catholic church?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

TBD: Why are there state-approved religions in China?

because even autocratic atheist cult leaders cannot defeat humanity's innate belief in the Almighty Creator.

Actually, the best remedy for religion is societal progress in general, specifically economic and educational development. Many Muslims coming to the west, for example, abandon their faith.
However, your answer still does not explain why the Chinese government would approve of something that, according to you, they want to destroy. Can you give an example of any other kind of abberant behaviour that has been legalised in oder to eradicate it?

 

[GDon]

However, your answer still does not explain why the Chinese government would approve of something that, according to you, they want to destroy. Can you give an example of any other kind of abberant behaviour that has been legalised in oder to eradicate it?

Surely it falls under "control first, then eradicate." Lots of examples like that, e.g. vermin eradication. Like slowly boiling the frog, the Chinese government will gradually try to remove the influence of the Vatican from Chinese lives, aware that to do so too quickly would inflame tensions with other countries where Catholic influence is strong.

From Asia News last week:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Chin...nes-in-Shanxi-and-Guizhou-(videos)-45306.html

The sinicisation campaign began last February, with new regulations on religious activities. The destruction of churches, crosses, paintings, etc. began in Henan, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia and spread to Zhejiang, Jiangxi and other provinces.
Since the Sino-Vatican agreement was signed, the pace of destruction has increased.​

Look at a religion that has had little influence outside China: Falun Gong. From Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

Falun Gong practitioners in China are reportedly subject to a wide range of human rights abuses: hundreds of thousands are estimated to have been imprisoned extrajudicially,[3] and practitioners in detention are subject to forced labor, psychiatric abuse, torture, and other coercive methods of thought reform at the hands of Chinese authorities...

Xinhua News Agency, the official news organization of the Communist Party, declared that Falun Gong is "opposed to the Communist Party of China and the central government, preaches idealism, theism and feudal superstition."[165] Xinhua also asserted that "the so-called 'truth, kindness and forbearance' principle preached by [Falun Gong] has nothing in common with the socialist ethical and cultural progress we are striving to achieve", and argued that it was necessary to crush Falun Gong to preserve the "vanguard role and purity" of the Communist Party.[166] Other articles appearing in the state-run media in the first days and weeks of the ban posited that Falun Gong must be defeated because its "theistic" philosophy was at odds with the Marxist–Leninism paradigm and with the secular values of materialism...

State propaganda initially used the appeal of scientific rationalism to argue that Falun Gong's worldview was in "complete opposition to science" and communism.[210] For example, the People's Daily asserted on 27 July 1999, that the fight against Falun Gong "was a struggle between theism and atheism, superstition and science, idealism and materialism."​

We already seen reports on how the Chinese government treat the Muslim Uygurs. What do you think China will eventually say about Catholicism? I hardly doubt that the "struggle between theism and atheism", "superstition and science" and "idealism and materialism" will continue and be broadened.

 

[sackett]

Now we have an "innate belief" in what sounds like the abrahamic god!

If it's a belief we're born with, then atheism must be physically impossible. Also polytheism and ancestor worship. Buddhism too. Animism? Not a chance! Never heard of it!

Huh. Wow. K. Oh dear. LOL.

u.s.w. etc.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

So I wonder how long before the last priest is burned in the last church after an incredibly bad debate about theology.

 

[Crossbow]

No, you don’t get it, and I was not speaking solely of the Chinese, I was referring to all atheist cults which turned genocide into an industrial process. Recently as in today, and not a thousand years ago.

But you got to ignore the ongoing human rights abuses and spew out whatabout Medieval Catholics!

Since you do not care anything about human rights, then you should not care about this issue either.

 

[The Big Dog]

Now we have an "innate belief" in what sounds like the abrahamic god!

If it's a belief we're born with, then atheism must be physically impossible. Also polytheism and ancestor worship. Buddhism too. Animism? Not a chance! Never heard of it!

Huh. Wow. K. Oh dear. LOL.

u.s.w. etc.

Science

we learned something

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Oh my! The Big Dog is really pulling out the big guns now folks. How do we parry a thrust like this one?

You don't. Is such an airtight statement no counter could pierce its shell.

 

[dann]

Now we have an "innate belief" in what sounds like the abrahamic god!

If it's a belief we're born with, then atheism must be physically impossible.

It is, it is! Atheism goes against human nature!
Except, of course, when all the atrocities committed by God's creatures, great and small, are explained by God giving them free will: 'Sorry, mate, I can't interfere with Holocaust! It would infringe upon your human rights!'