Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

The Big Dog said:
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago, said “Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy. It is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”
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It is the opinion of one of the most radical fundamentalist Orthodox of Russia. What are his arguments? If ever there was a political figure who had a sense of his responsibility to God it was Nicholas II; in the war Germany believe in guns, Russians in God; every evil comes from the disbelief in God; etc. An ultraconservative Orthodox that praised the old-believers... Not a great authority about religious issues.

Please, give reasons for your beliefs. Shouting out beliefs does not serve to impress anyone in this forum.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
One of the reasons the chinese government thinks it can get away with this form of collective punishment is due to US policies towards muslims in the last decades.
Call it 'war against terror' and its all ok, after all, they are muslims, so they must be terrorists right?

I know it doesn't fit your 'evil atheists' story, but really this horrible repression is a continuation of millennia of chinese policy of subjugating its citizens to the state. You probably missed it because its not part of your crusade, but amongst those being targeted were also prominent party officials, international movie stars and, most recently, the head of freaking interpol itself. Xi is consolidating power and anyone and everyone percieved a potential threat is being purged or brought under control.

Reprehensible? Yes
Morally wrong? Yes
Because of atheism? No
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He could always ask the Thibetans. They have had a few run-ins with the Chinese government authoritarians since...before I was born, anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate
 
By the way, nobody seems too shocked when Western governments lock migrants in concentration camps, separate the parents from the children, shoot against them and order to let sink their boats with children and women in it. What are the causes of these monstrous crimes? Democracy, governments’ religion or capitalism? How differ our monstrosities from Mr. Xi’s monstrosities? The hypocrisy degree, perhaps.

How do you deal with this, dear Brother Big Dog?
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh dear, you managed to cherry pick quotes (not like my “quote” above that you fraudulently edited)

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago, said “Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy. It is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”

That is the new policy adopted by Xi and his atheist thugs.

Looking forward to fraudulent misrepresentation of what I wrote again..
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Using Solzhenitsyn quotes to support your arguments make about as much sense as using quotes from your favorite fairy book to support your arguments.

After all, while Solzhenitsyn had a great deal of problems with Russia, however Solzhenitsyn did willfully return to Russia and Solzhenitsyn became a vocal supporter of Vladimir Putin.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Solzhenitsyn... That's a Chinese name, isn't it? And a Christian apologist too, as I recall. So what he says about each and every instance of Communism MUST be 100% true and unassailable. No arguments allowed. Because he was a Christian.
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He was a victim of Unyielding Marxist Atheists, which is of course exactly what this thread is about.

I get tho that he criticized atheists which makes him persona non grata among the unyielding marxist atheist atrocity crowd, as we have seen.
 
The Big Dog said:
He was a victim of Unyielding Marxist Atheists, which is of course exactly what this thread is about.

I get tho that he criticized atheists which makes him persona non grata among the unyielding marxist atheist atrocity crowd, as we have seen.
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Wow. Adjectival overload. Perhaps a world record.

Doesn’t add a thing to the “argument” you are trying to frame, but a thing of beauty. Well done.
 
The Big Dog said:
He was a victim of Unyielding Marxist Atheists, which is of course exactly what this thread is about.

I get tho that he criticized atheists which makes him persona non grata among the unyielding marxist atheist atrocity crowd, as we have seen.
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Oh gee whiz!

Now 'The Big Dog' has declared that this thread is actually about "Unyielding Marxist Atheists".
 
lionking said:
Wow. Adjectival overload. Perhaps a world record.

Doesn’t add a thing to the “argument” you are trying to frame, but a thing of beauty. Well done.
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If one were familiar with Xi's statements regarding the crackdown on religion in China one would understand that it is part and parcel of the argument, but it appears that one is not.

oh well, thanks for posting
 
The Big Dog said:
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Communist Chinese values = atheism

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Ah, nice. Thank you. This very simply and clearly distills the inherent lie in your argumentation right from the beginning of this thread.

Communist values (Chinese or otherwise) do arguably include atheism, but they are not it. It is even a rather weak factor in communism which is basically a socioeconomic system.

Atheism as such has absolutely nothing to do with communism. It implies no political or economic system.

You might as well claim that "Seats = Cars". While seats are a component of virtually all cars, they do not equal them. They do not cause them. You cannot assume a car because you have a seat.

Hans
 
The Big Dog said:
If one were familiar with Xi's statements regarding the crackdown on religion in China one would understand that it is part and parcel of the argument, but it appears that one is not.

oh well, thanks for posting
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So we should believe the pronouncements of the Chinese government?

Someone here disagrees with you.
Who could that be?

The Big Dog said:
We have reached the point where people are credulously posting actual CCP propaganda
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The Big Dog said:
According to official party propaganda outfits where you get the "information" you have posted in this thread?
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It looks like you only believe them when it's convenient for you.

Care to clarify?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
So we should believe the pronouncements of the Chinese government?

Someone here disagrees with you.
Who could that be?

It looks like you only believe them when it's convenient for you.

Care to clarify?
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Oh man... does not understand what propaganda is at this point...

Xi and his lackeys establish a rule that all members of the CCP must be unyielding marxist atheists is not "propaganda."

Citing to China Today to justify putting 1 million Muslims in camps is both propaganda and reprehensible.

This is so bleedingly obvious....
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh man... does not understand what propaganda is at this point...

Xi and his lackeys establish a rule that all members of the CCP must be unyielding marxist atheists is not "propaganda."

Citing to China Today to justify putting 1 million Muslims in camps is both propaganda and reprehensible.

This is so bleedingly obvious....
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If it is so reprehensible then you and/or your god should do something about the matter.

However, neither you nor your god have done anything about the matter.
 
Crossbow said:
If it is so reprehensible then you and/or your god should do something about the matter.

However, neither you nor your god have done anything about the matter.
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I think you misunderstand. TBD has no real problem with Muslims being placed in camps. He is just upset that atheists did it when it should have been a job for Christians.
 
Steve said:
I think you misunderstand. TBD has no real problem with Muslims being placed in camps. He is just upset that atheists did it when it should have been a job for Christians.
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Uh huh, and you post that in response to a post that does nothing but divert the discussion from the actual ongoing human rights abuses in China to me.

Kinda like your post just did...

Hmm, it almost seems like people who post about me and theodicity rather than the actual ongoing human rights abuses in China are the ones that don't have a problem with putting 1 million muslims in the camps, don't you think?
 
Steve said:
I think you misunderstand. TBD has no real problem with Muslims being placed in camps. He is just upset that atheists did it when it should have been a job for Christians.
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I expect that you are quite right.

After all, if Trump had put American Muslims into camps, then there would be at least a few people saying that Trump is great and wonderful president.
 
The Big Dog said:
Uh huh, and you post that in response to a post that does nothing but divert the discussion from the actual ongoing human rights abuses in China to me.

Kinda like your post just did...

Hmm, it almost seems like people who post about me and theodicity rather than the actual ongoing human rights abuses in China are the ones that don't have a problem with putting 1 million muslims in the camps, don't you think?
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Well, you are the only one in this thread that supports the actions of the Chinese regime...
 
The Big Dog said:
Uh huh, and you post that in response to a post that does nothing but divert the discussion from the actual ongoing human rights abuses in China to me.

Kinda like your post just did...

Hmm, it almost seems like people who post about me and theodicity rather than the actual ongoing human rights abuses in China are the ones that don't have a problem with putting 1 million muslims in the camps, don't you think?
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No, the discussion is about:

"Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful"

Says so right in the thread title.
 
Steve said:
No, the discussion is about:

"Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful"

Says so right in the thread title.
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cool, cool, y'all don't care about those either (and the suggestion that Muslims are not among the faithful... well that is something...)
 
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