Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

baron said:
It depends on the religion. If you're talking about Christianity then that's broadly true. Groups from the Lord's Resistance Army to the IRA are alleged to have committed their atrocities as a result of their Christianity despite the indisputable historical facts demonstrating that this is not so.

However, when a Muslim group commits an atrocity, stands up and explains exactly how it was inspired by their religion, publishes a magazine in which they bust a ball stressing that they do these things because of their religion, and are studied for years by independent researches who confirm they are inspired by their religion... apparently their religion had nothing to do with it. Now religious motivation is just an excuse and this group of people would never be motivated by religion because, you know, Tony Blair.
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None of what you have stated is true.
 
David Mo said:
It's just that the Jesuit sophistry that the Big Dog was taught at the university he attended--that's what he says--is no different from pure trollism. So it's hard to tell what is really his game.
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That is odd. Most Jesuits are very rational and like to harp on thinking critically about issues. The local deacon even warned parents that most of his graduating class from the local Jesuit school were atheist now. Yeah, critical thinking can have that impact.
 
Darat said:
None of what you have stated is true.
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You're not going to make me link to precise instances of each point I have stated, are you? I don't have time now but if you insist, I'll do it tomorrow and prove you wrong.
 
Dr. Keith said:
That is odd. Most Jesuits are very rational and like to harp on thinking critically about issues. The local deacon even warned parents that most of his graduating class from the local Jesuit school were atheist now. Yeah, critical thinking can have that impact.
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But still Catholic no doubt.

Catholicism - the World's stickiest religion.:D
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Your knowledge of the Bible appears to be as poor as your understanding of atheism.
The Bible states over and over again that god will intervene to protect believers who are in danger.
TBD, is the Bible wrong?
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-protection/
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Catholics are not known as Biblical scholars in the main. Here is a priest talking about this issue and explaining why. Well the explanation is somewhat foggy but then that has a consistency about it. I mean religious authorities do tend to make foggy explanations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4HTHskfpN8
 
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The Big Dog said:
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1050079794531000320
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China officially legalized its "vocational training centers" for Muslim Uighurs. The UN says the centers are essentially internment camps where 1 million people are being held in mass detention and told to renounce their faith and swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping.
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I watched some of the linked reports. Nowhere do they mention atheism as the goal. Instead, as highlighted in your own quote, they are demanding conformance and homogeneity to Chinese values, particularly fealty to the Chinese state and leadership, and forcing the Mandarin language on them. The Chinese consider them rebels against their authority - illegals if you like.

Just like the US treats "illegals" crossing the border from Mexico - they automatically jail them first and separate families to force some sort of societal conformance.

Birds of a feather...
 
China officially legalized its "vocational training centers" for Muslim Uighurs. The UN says the centers are essentially internment camps where 1 million people are being held in mass detention and told to renounce their faith and swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping.

Communist Chinese values = atheism

I can highlight too.
 
The Big Dog said:
China officially legalized its "vocational training centers" for Muslim Uighurs. The UN says the centers are essentially internment camps where 1 million people are being held in mass detention and told to renounce their faith and swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping.

Communist Chinese values = Loving the Chinese leadership each and every day in a loud voice, removal of all skerricks of "rebellion" against the state by praying to someone else besides the Chinese leadership, loving the Chinese leadership each and every day in a loud voice, speaking Mandarin only, loving the Chinese leadership each and every day in a loud voice, being forced to join the Chinese armed forces, loving the Chinese leadership each and every day in a loud voice, going where the state tells them to, loving the Chinese leadership each and every day in a loud voice, and on every odd Thursday if they get around to it - atheism.

I can highlight too.
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You can't read though.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually it was to cure the lack of knowledge regarding what followers believe.

The other Good News? At least there has been some progress in recognizing that the situation in China (namely the human rights atrocities perpetrated by the atheist CCP) are something that is serious enough that the followers need "saving" which is something that we can and should work on together.
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Repetitious and sanctimonious postings to an internet forum will fail save these followers of your god just like your god continually fails to save his own followers.
 
Rincewind said:
Presumably just like the harsh Native American Schools set up by Christian missionaries from the late 19th Century to "civilize" and "Christianize" native American children?
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Pro tip? Yeah, when one is really going all in to try to derail the discussion about on going human rights violations in 2018 like I seem to be the only one discussing, try this next time:

WHATABOUT blah blah blah the late 19th Century blah blah blah

Timely!
 
The Big Dog said:
Pro tip? Yeah, when one is really going all in to try to derail the discussion about on going human rights violations in 2018 like I seem to be the only one discussing, try this next time:

WHATABOUT blah blah blah the late 19th Century blah blah blah

Timely!
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Nail on the head amigo. They try to defend but they can't. Keep up the good work exposing christian human rights abuse and trafficking.
 
The Big Dog said:
Huh. Guess i forgot i wrote all that ******* bull **** you "quoted."
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Yeah, right. Remember that word: Sinicization. Now go look it up.

More broadly, "Sinicization" may refer to policies of acculturation, assimilation, or cultural imperialism imposed by China onto neighboring East Asian countries.
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Oh dear. No atheism mentioned.

Or this:
A new clause directs the centres to teach the Mandarin language and provide occupational and legal education, as well as “ideological education, psychological rehabilitation and behaviour correction”.

The original legislation announced in 2017 banned the wearing of veils, “extreme speech and behaviour” and the refusal to listen to public radio and television broadcasts.

Beijing has spent decades trying to suppress pro-independence sentiment in Xinjiang fuelled in part by frustration about an influx of migrants from China’s Han majority. Authorities say extremists there have ties to foreign terror groups but have given little evidence to support the claim.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/11/china-legalises-internment-camps-for-million-uighurs

Almost a perfect matching description! Rightly or wrongly, this is all about Chinese sinisization. Just so you are clear: Nobody here supports that or the methodology. It rings far too closely with the current policies of Trump's USA - MAGA. But what it is NOT about specifically is atheism. In fact it would seem atheism is irrelevant to the whole process. Even atheist Uighurs are being "re-educated".

Feel free to ignore me now.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Yeah, right. Remember that word: Sinicization. Now go look it up.

Oh dear. No atheism mentioned.

Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/11/china-legalises-internment-camps-for-million-uighurs

Almost a perfect matching description! Rightly or wrongly, this is all about Chinese sinisization. Just so you are clear: Nobody here supports that or the methodology. It rings far too closely with the current policies of Trump's USA - MAGA. But what it is NOT about specifically is atheism. In fact it would seem atheism is irrelevant to the whole process. Even atheist Uighurs are being "re-educated".

Feel free to ignore me now.
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Oh dear, you managed to cherry pick quotes (not like my “quote” above that you fraudulently edited)

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago, said “Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy. It is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”

That is the new policy adopted by Xi and his atheist thugs.

Looking forward to fraudulent misrepresentation of what I wrote again..
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh dear, you managed to cherry pick quotes (not like my “quote” above that you fraudulently edited)

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago, said “Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy. It is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”

That is the new policy adopted by Xi and his atheist thugs.

Looking forward to fraudulent misrepresentation of what I wrote again..
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Solzhenitsyn... That's a Chinese name, isn't it? And a Christian apologist too, as I recall. So what he says about each and every instance of Communism MUST be 100% true and unassailable. No arguments allowed. Because he was a Christian.
 
One of the reasons the chinese government thinks it can get away with this form of collective punishment is due to US policies towards muslims in the last decades.
Call it 'war against terror' and its all ok, after all, they are muslims, so they must be terrorists right?

I know it doesn't fit your 'evil atheists' story, but really this horrible repression is a continuation of millennia of chinese policy of subjugating its citizens to the state. You probably missed it because its not part of your crusade, but amongst those being targeted were also prominent party officials, international movie stars and, most recently, the head of freaking interpol itself. Xi is consolidating power and anyone and everyone percieved a potential threat is being purged or brought under control.

Reprehensible? Yes
Morally wrong? Yes
Because of atheism? No
 
Dr. Keith said:
That is odd. Most Jesuits are very rational and like to harp on thinking critically about issues. The local deacon even warned parents that most of his graduating class from the local Jesuit school were atheist now. Yeah, critical thinking can have that impact.
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I admire a handful of Jesuits who were coherent and rational in defending a progressive sense of faith. But the hierarchy and Jesuit structure were the army of papal manipulation for centuries. "Jesuitism" is a derogatory term still in many non-Catholic settings.
 
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