Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Darat said:
The vast majority of Chinese people are religious, it is a deeply religious country, it would be extraordinary that any group involved in the terrible persecution mentioned in this thread would be all atheists.

The state is atheist in China, as the USA state is atheist. In some countries the state is religious for example the UK, yet as you know people labeling themselves as religious in the UK Declines year on year. What the state religious "status" is does not necessarily reflect the religious or non religious beliefs of the people that make up the nation.
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Love to take a deep dive into that! China is officially an Atheist Country by its Constitution. Its leaders are required to be atheist and its leader is requiring adherence to Firm Marxist Atheism in order to be in its leadership class who is responsible for the latest human rights violations and pogrom.

In contrast, the US Constitution says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

further:

Ten years after the Constitutional Convention ended its work, the country assured the world that the United States was a secular state, and that its negotiations would adhere to the rule of law, not the dictates of the Christian faith. The assurances were contained in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1797 and were intended to allay the fears of the Muslim state by insisting that religion would not govern how the treaty was interpreted and enforced. John Adams and the Senate made clear that the pact was between two sovereign states, not between two religious powers.
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The Big Dog said:
http://www.newser.com/story/264468/us-may-make-rare-move-against-china.html

The fact that it is spreading and impacting more religious is all the more reason to do so because of the religious human rights catastrophe in China caused by the Sinicization strategy adopted in 2016 to make Chinese and those under its thumb "Firm marxist Atheists."
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Dr. Keith said:
I think we are all supposed to complain to our local atheist bishops and hope that they can prevail on the atheist pope to condemn our atheist brethren in China. I for one will bring this up at the golf course on Sunday.
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oof, bummer about the timing...
 
Dr. Keith said:
****, is the weather going to be bad on Sunday?
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That would depend where you live, but no I was talking about the timing of your reply, which was shortly after I posted and linked to an article about the anticipated US response to the crackdown in China by the Atheist Regime.
 
The Big Dog said:
Love to take a deep dive into that! China is officially an Atheist Country by its Constitution. Its leaders are required to be atheist and its leader is requiring adherence to Firm Marxist Atheism in order to be in its leadership class who is responsible for the latest human rights violations and pogrom.

In contrast, the US Constitution says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

further:



From here
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So do you actually give a crap about human rights in China and the US Constitution?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
No serious reply, just more atheist baiting?
Thanks for playing, come again.
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Well considering I had literally already posted an article about the US's reaction in the post DIRECTLY before yours, AND it was linked in the very post to which you are replying, i gotta ask how in god's name you missed it??

/'atheist baiting," "hate speech".... "Atheists" are the real victims here. :rolleyes:
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Christians in China have it easy, compared to Muslims or Tibetan Buddhists.
The crackdown on religion is a rational preemptive measure to avoid a Chechnya situation.

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What a bunch of BS. So repressive measures are OK if you don't like the people being repressed.
COngratulations. You have proven youself no better then TBD.
 
dudalb said:
What a bunch of BS. So repressive measures are OK if you don't like the people being repressed.
COngratulations. You have proven youself no better then TBD.
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tut tut tut, no better than

As in: "applauding the appalling crackdown on religion as a "rational preemptive measure' makes you no better than TBD's appalling actions in hurting atheists' feels."

Hmm, you may have a couple of major mistakes in that final sentence....
 
So, quick question, when Putin, who was a communist and therefore a horrible atheist, promoted laws backed by the Orthodox church, of which he now is a nice and conformist member, to criminalize Jehova's witnesses and anyone 'defaming' the church.
Did you feel a similar outrage?
 
dudalb said:
What a bunch of BS. So repressive measures are OK if you don't like the people being repressed.
COngratulations. You have proven youself no better then TBD.
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Quick to judge, aren't we?

I'm not endorsing China's repressions - but I can see the rationale from the POV of the Leadership.
The brutal re-education of the masses of the Muslim minority is most likely the biggest (by scale) human rights violation in decades.
It is also what is keeping Radical Islamism from gaining a foothold in China.
 
The Big Dog said:
Love to take a deep dive into that! China is officially an Atheist Country by its Constitution. Its leaders are required to be atheist and its leader is requiring adherence to Firm Marxist Atheism in order to be in its leadership class who is responsible for the latest human rights violations and pogrom.
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Really? Documentation?

Here is the Constitution of China: https://www.purdue.edu/crcs/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Constitution.pdf

While you look for the clause you are claiming, the rest of us can read this:


Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No
state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe
in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in,
any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make use of religion to
engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the
educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any
foreign domination.
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Hans
 
The Big Dog said:
You want that in Russian, Chinese or what? The League of the Militant Godless has some next level stuff and the Soviet and Chinese engaged in wholesale rape, murder and slavery within the last century, didn’t just write about it.

Say, any comments about the latest pogrom or just gonna make “clever” comments that don’t work out so well?
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How about something other than communist propaganda or childish projection?

Atheism did not begat communism anymore than christianity begat child molestation - they endorse it, but they didn't invent it.
 
BStrong said:
How about something other than communist propaganda or childish projection?

Atheism did not begat communism
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Communist propaganda? Y'all want something from the Atheist Bible, or you want how the monsters actually act.

Wrong: "Communism begins from the outset with atheism."

K. Marx
 
The Big Dog said:
That would depend where you live, but no I was talking about the timing of your reply, which was shortly after I posted and linked to an article about the anticipated US response to the crackdown in China by the Atheist Regime.
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How does that relate to how we, as atheist, should feel some kinship or association with people we have neither kinship nor association with, ie Xi and his autocratic regime?
 
MRC_Hans said:
Really? Documentation?

Here is the Constitution of China: https://www.purdue.edu/crcs/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Constitution.pdf

While you look for the clause you are claiming, the rest of us can read this:

Hans
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Thanks Hans! man, what a sack of hypocrites those guys are, huh?

But the Constitution designates the Party to run the country under the tenets of marxist leninism, so, add two plus two and you end up with a pogrom just like the one that is going on right now in china, despite the "No
state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion"

That is in fact exactly what they are doing now, am I right?
 
Dr. Keith said:
How does that relate to how we, as atheist, should feel some kinship or association with people we have neither kinship nor association with, ie Xi and his autocratic regime?
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Well "we" as human beings should be opposed to it, and should say so without equivocation. Unfortunately, with some exceptions, that has not really happened in this thread, instead people are outraged that I had the temerity to mention atheism is the religious crackdown by atheists. (or tried to make it about Trump, which: :rolleyes:)
 
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