Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

[The Big Dog]

I have noticed this as well. TBD has claimed before to have posted some ideas about what to do.
The only one I can bring to mind is a suggestion that we approach our Congressional representatives, which isn't much use for the non-Americans among us.
Beyond that, he has rejected both prayer and negotiations, so I'm not sure what's left. Military action? Not very practical, and not very "blessed are the peacemakers" either.
TBD: anything I've missed here? Any other suggestions you've made? Any more you want to make?

I also linked to the suggestions made by Human Rights Watch and other human rights watch dogs, which should help for people totally paralyzed by the concept of not having representatives in Congress.... approach your own governmental representatives for goodness sakes. SMDH

I am not saying that it will be easy, indeed there are numerous people on this very website who not only refuse to understand the basis for it, but several are actively in favor of putting a million plus human beings in concentration camps so they can be brain washed to the Cult of Unyielding Atheism.

 

[MRC_Hans]

The density of fallacies and misrepresentations is ... impressive:

I also linked to the suggestions made by Human Rights Watch and other human rights watch dogs,

You were asked what to do. Those are fine organisations, but they hardly have much actually leverage in China.

which should help for people totally paralyzed by the concept of not having representatives in Congress....

Not paralyzed, just pointing out that your advice is useless.

approach your own governmental representatives for goodness sakes.

Well, we know what your own government representatives say: "Follow the money." President Trump recently described why money kept him from interfering with an even worse (albeit smaller) totalitarian state.

I am not saying that it will be easy, indeed there are numerous people on this very website who not only refuse to understand the basis for it

Just refusing YOUR claim about the basis for it.

but several are actively in favor of putting a million plus human beings in concentration camps so they can be brain washed

I know. Satire can be hard to understand. Especially when it's not your own.

to the Cult of Unyielding Atheism.

And another claim for an imaginary cult. We're back to square one (again): Claiming atheism is responsible. OK; can't provide evidence, but repetition is always worth an attempt ... for some.

Hans

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh noes! I am being criticized for not doing enough by people actively supporting the grotesque human rights abuses in China.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Oh noes! I am being criticized for not doing enough by people actively supporting the grotesque human rights abuses in China.

Are you? Who?

Hans

 

[Thor 2]

Oh noes! I am being criticized for not doing enough by people actively supporting the grotesque human rights abuses in China.

Are you? Who?

Hans

I think you waste your time Hans. Not even sure if there is a person doing The Big Dog posts. It may be a programable logic element that spits out the same words with some kind of scrambling feature. The lack of response to valid questions seems to give it away.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I think you waste your time Hans. Not even sure if there is a person doing The Big Dog posts. It may be a programable logic element that spits out the same words with some kind of scrambling feature. The lack of response to valid questions seems to give it away.

Oh, I know. Still ... we must always cater for innocent bystanders.

Actually, one thing is a person posting like this. Someone building a robot like that is actually worse (no TBD, not worse than Chinese human rights abuses ).

Hans

 

[Doubt]

Oh noes! I am being criticized for not doing enough by people actively supporting the grotesque human rights abuses in China.

That statement is a lie. Calling out misrepresentations on your part is not the same as condoning the actions of the Chinese government. China being wrong does not make you right. You being wrong is a separate issue from China's human rights abuses. The inability to separate these issues points to one or more of the following:

A disconnect from reality.
A completely dishonest approach to discussion on this board.
An inability to separate criticism of a position held on this board with a position regarding human rights abuses.

Given that the Forth post started a mantra about Atheists being the real victims even no nobody has asserted that position, we can only conclude that this thread is nothing more than crocodile tears.

This is further supported by the total lack of suggestions about how to solve the problem of human rights abuses in the first place. We see lots of baseless attacks on posters here but no actual solution. Yes, I know TBD told us to contact our reps. But that is an action that is not in any way a solution. It is not even the beginning of a solution. My proposal to bring them here as refugees was treated as a joke. It is not necessarily a workable solution but it is a place to start.

 

[Doubt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Student_Protection_Act_of_1992

Also here is a reason that bringing them here is a good idea. The Chinese students in the US who staid after Tienimen square did quite well. One of them, who is a former girlfriend of mine, is a well respected professor of Mathematics.

We probably don't even need to bring a lot of them over. A few thousand would seriously embarrass the Chinese government.

 

[BadBoy]

I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.

Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.

Gaze upon it folks, because one is unlikely to see that level of denial ever again.

Dream thread

Oh dear.

 

[BadBoy]

Show me where in the Atheist manifesto it says you should put religious people in concentration camps, or even stop freedom of religious expression.

As we all know, Atheism is not an ideology, it just means you don't believe in God.

Almost certainly the current Chinese government don't like religions because they can be so toxic and influential. Before you know it you have people blowing themselves up for a piece of the good life in the next. In fact the very article you posted says that the reason they want to be Atheist is to prevent foreign influence creeping into the country via religious indoctrination - which can be a very powerful thing.

The USA has a secular constitution and many secular countries in western Europe are often cited as being the happiest and best places to live on earth.

Marx saw religion as a form of protest by the working classes against their poor economic conditions and their alienation, though I probably wouldn't agree there.

The is no Atheist Ideology. Argue about the Chinese interpretation of Communist or Marxist ideology if you like, but your argument about Atheism makes no-sense, it is nonsense.

 

[The Big Dog]

The is no Atheist Ideology.

Golly, I was unaware that you had been assigned the role as spokesmen (particularly given that I smashed the same argument several weeks ago)

I suggest that you take that up with the League of Militant Atheists, the Unyielding Marxist Atheists, other officially atheist nation-states, the innumerable anti-religion atheists on this web site, the numerous atheist organizations, and the guys setting up a big "A" in the Daley Center, I betcha a dime they would be surprised at being informed that they have no ideology.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Golly, I was unaware that you had been assigned the role as spokesmen (particularly given that I smashed the same argument several weeks ago)

I suggest that you take that up with the League of Militant Atheists, the Unyielding Marxist Atheists, other officially atheist nation-states, the innumerable anti-religion atheists on this web site, the numerous atheist organizations, and the guys setting up a big "A" in the Daley Center, I betcha a dime they would be surprised at being informed that they have no ideology.

AH, that's funny. Whenever someone points out various nasty religious groups and ideologies, you are adamant that you have absolutely no duty to answer for them.

But atheists seem to have to answer for various groups? I repeat what the other poster said: There in no such thing as an atheist ideology. There are, so be sure atheists with an ideology, but that is another thing.

What is it you say? Ah yes: Oh wey! ... or something.

Hans

 

[Doubt]

AH, that's funny. Whenever someone points out various nasty religious groups and ideologies, you are adamant that you have absolutely no duty to answer for them.

But atheists seem to have to answer for various groups? I repeat what the other poster said: There in no such thing as an atheist ideology. There are, so be sure atheists with an ideology, but that is another thing.

What is it you say? Ah yes: Oh wey! ... or something.

Hans

Now is when we can see the Atheists are the real victims mantra repeated here as usual without any substance to back it up.

From now on we should make the Catholic Church is responsible for the Westboro Baptist church just to make sure the comparisons are kept even and to the same standard as Atheists being responsible for China.

 

[David Mo]

I am not saying that it will be easy, indeed there are numerous people on this very website who not only refuse to understand the basis for it, but several are actively in favor of putting a million plus human beings in concentration camps so they can be brain washed to the Cult of Unyielding Atheism.

Numerous people?? These are the effects of ultra-Catholic brain washing of altar boys and self-righteous: they see strange things.They can see numerous supporters of totalitarian measures where there is not a single one. But they have a strange unability to see what numerous pederast priests do in their sacristies. Curious effects of incens shampooing.

 

[David Mo]

Dear Big Dog, everybody here would be happy to demand respect for the human rights in China and elsewhere. But we cannot support a campaign raised by the Pederast Church. It is against our principles.

 

[Doubt]

Dear Big Dog, everybody here would be happy to demand respect for the human rights in China and elsewhere. But we cannot support a campaign raised by the Pederast Church. It is against our principles.

One thing there. The church has been making deals with the government. The people getting locked up are worshiping outside the government sanctioned churches. So the people getting locked up are technically heretics rather than going along with Romes wishes.

 

[Aridas]

Now is when we can see the Atheists are the real victims mantra repeated here as usual without any substance to back it up.

From now on we should make the Catholic Church is responsible for the Westboro Baptist church just to make sure the comparisons are kept even and to the same standard as Atheists being responsible for China.

Nah. It's more like trying to say that a Sikh sect is responsible for the Westboro Baptists, really.

 

[The Big Dog]

Chinese Atheists put a million plus Muslims in concentration camps.

Human rights abuse apologist Atheists complain about the Catholic Church.

because of course they do...

 

[MRC_Hans]

Chinese Atheists put a million plus Muslims in concentration camps.

Human rights abuse apologist Atheists complain about the Catholic Church.

because of course they do...

Misrepresentations aside, how am I, as an atheist, in any way responsible for the actions of the Chinese government? Be specific.

Hans

 

[Doubt]

Chinese Atheists put a million plus Muslims in concentration camps.

Human rights abuse apologist Atheists complain about the Catholic Church.

because of course they do...

First sentence is another lie. Second one is hypocrisy since TBD has also complained about the church making deals with the government.

Can we get some new lies? The old ones are getting stale.