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Tsukasa Buddha said:
That's an example of how not to do it, IMO. The bulk of his character was pretty much him crying about his previous gay marriage and gay gay gay. He was an obvious attempt to placate fans.
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Which brings up the point that the vast majority of the few gay characters out there are, at best, broad caricatures by someone who might have actually seen a gay guy walking down the street once, or did "research" by spending a few minutes in a gay bar; and at worst, are blatant, and often offensive, stereotypes put in "for teh lulz".
 
luchog said:
Which brings up the point that the vast majority of the few gay characters out there are, at best, broad caricatures by someone who might have actually seen a gay guy walking down the street once, or did "research" by spending a few minutes in a gay bar; and at worst, are blatant, and often offensive, stereotypes put in "for teh lulz".
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To be fair, though, the gay stereotype in Archer is pretty lulzy...
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I think the commercialisation issue is a different one from the racism issue.

I mean, the man behind what's considered to be the first rock and roll record, Ike Turner's "Rocket 88", Sam Phillips was white. When he started recording rock and roll he said that if he could find a white guy who could sing that type of music and move the way the black guys he was recording could, then he'd make a fortune. A few years later, he was recording Elvis and did, indeed, make a fortune.
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Just a minor point of history; although Ike Turner gets the credit for the first recording of "Rocket 88"; it was still strictly an R&B hit, and did not become a true breakout until it was recorded a few months later by Bill Haley; who went on to have the first bit Rock and Roll hit with "Rock Around the Clock".

Bill Haley was primarily a country musician, and Bill Haley and His Comets were the sort of manufactured band designed to take advantage of the growing popularity of "black" music by putting a white face on it, that became something of an industry sore point later on. By comparison, Elvis was something of a latecomer; but as you noted, actually had a true appreciation for the music.
 
qwints said:
In other words, it's not that the music industry or Elvis, individually, were the genesis of racism, but they operated in a racist system and received advantages because of it. We can talk about how they unjustly benefited from a racist system without condemning them.
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Yet the benefits you call privileges continue today, and it seems to me A+ does condemn all who currently receive them. And yet. you and I and most posting here and at A+ have ALL benefited from centuries of racism and oppressive exploitation of less developed countries, quints. Those who lack our privileges are not even part of the online discussion.
 
qwints said:
But we can talk about the ways in which it's not a level playing field rather than just throw up our hands and say, well someone had to get the record deal.
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It's never a level playing field.
 
Joe Random said:
Of course the fact that it was developed by "Middle East-based Eurostar Group" probably has a wee something to do with that, but still.

I'd be far more concerned with examples like 'The First Tablet So Easy Even You Can Use It Little Missy' than, say, injudicious use of pronouns, or the rampant phalocentrism in modern soda bottle designs (and no, I wouldn't be surprised if there actually is an essay on that last one somewhere out there).
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That sounds like ad copy straight out of the 1950s and definately is sexist and offensive to me. As a society and world we need to eliminate that sort of thinking before getting to worried about if people might get upset if I refer to them as him instead of flurg and her instead gleck.
 
bouch said:
i'm not a gamer, so i'm not familiar with a lot of these issues. However, its pretty easy to see the female character portrayal issue (hell, watch "wreck it ralph" and see what they made jane lynch look like...).

But how do you have an openly homosexual character in a game, unless its a game with overt sexual content? I guess, in simpler terms, how can you tell mario and luigi aren't gay?
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sims
 
luchog said:
Just a minor point of history; although Ike Turner gets the credit for the first recording of "Rocket 88"; it was still strictly an R&B hit, and did not become a true breakout until it was recorded a few months later by Bill Haley; who went on to have the first bit Rock and Roll hit with "Rock Around the Clock".

Bill Haley was primarily a country musician, and Bill Haley and His Comets were the sort of manufactured band designed to take advantage of the growing popularity of "black" music by putting a white face on it, that became something of an industry sore point later on. By comparison, Elvis was something of a latecomer; but as you noted, actually had a true appreciation for the music.
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Thanks. To be honest, I don't know a great deal about Elvis or the birth of rock and roll. While I like it fine, I actually prefer the music from which it developed.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Thanks. To be honest, I don't know a great deal about Elvis or the birth of rock and roll. While I like it fine, I actually prefer the music from which it developed.
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[derail]First, thanks again for altering my opinion on Elvis and his music. Second, have you heard of a group called Tuba Skinny? [/derail]?
 
qwints said:
I don't know enough about Eminem to intelligently comment, but if he received exposure or commercial success that other's didn't because of his race, then that would be a problem worth discussing.
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Does it matter if you don't know enough to intelligently comment? What's your emotional feeling on the issue?
 
qwints said:
But we can talk about the ways in which it's not a level playing field rather than just throw up our hands and say, well someone had to get the record deal.
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In which case, what are you doing on an internet forum? Why is it that you and your ilk seem to avoid real world action in this regard?

So, the music biz is just yet another case of "minorities are disadvantaged." Tell me what you do irl to assuage the perceived injustice. Oh wait, there are other people who are more motivated and organised. Let's leave it to them but just put a link up on the forum.

Seriously, I've been asking this since this thread began.
 
RebeccaBradley said:
That definition (Racism = Prejudice + Power) comes out of Critical Race Theory, which has pretty much taken over large swaths of sociology and ethnic relations studies.
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I just want to say that was a good article you wrote.

For anyone interested in seeing this definition used "in the wild" so to speak can always look at this.

Somehow a bullying victim still has "power" despite the nature of bullying being one where the victim is effectively powerless. This would suggest that the definitions being used is hopelessly flawed.
 
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