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kbonn said:
The biggest issue was that it was in an enclosed space. Rebecca had every right to tell her (male) audience not to do that.
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She could have expressed an opinion about the encounter and offered a suggestion that men consider that women might fee vulnerable in an enclosed space.

It was a request made that she didn't like, so she instructed her audience not to do it.
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How did that work out?

That's it. No reason to make more of it then that. The reaction was much more the story.
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Some people (women in particular) had a different opinion. That's it. No reason to call anyone out at a conference. That's the good thing about dialectics. RW expresses her opinion. Other people express an opinion and we move society forward. People are allowed to have an opinion different than RW, right? People have the right to express that opinion, right?

The idea that all the unsavory comments were left by only atheists/skeptics is laughable.

What Dawkins said was a bit silly, however I see many people using exactly the same argument whenever men complain about certain issues. "Dear Muslima" and "What about Teh MEnz" are the same argument. It didn't work for Dawkins, but somehow, I haven't see you make a video about the FtB/A+ members who use the same argument all the time.

"You have no right to complain about X because group Y has to deal with Z!!!!" Terrible when *they* do it, totally fine when *We* do it.
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I've no idea what this is about. It looks like a hasty generalization and straw man but tough to tell.
 
Krikkiter said:
Errr but umm... word to the wise regarding moving posts to AAH and therefore having a poster receive a mod notification in their inbox, lest someone ends up in the fetal position with dribble running down their chin, don't do that.

:boxedin:
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Wish you'd posted this sooner as a reminder. I didn't quite go fetal, but I just got a PM here and this is the one site where they have always triggered my anxiety. It comes from all the time I wasted in 2010 arguing with others in Forum Management. As a result most of the PM's I've received here were AHH or infraction notices, and to this day I always get nervous when I see a PM notice at JREF. :eek:

I do hope discussing RW and EG will be seen as an extension of this topic and not a new one. It was one of the primal causes that led to the forming of the A+ site, and has been already analyzed extensively itt. To be consistent and move all of those posts would be a lot of unnecessary work for somebody, and I do think that story is worth further review.
 
I have one more thing to say.

kbonn said:
The biggest issue was that it was in an enclosed space. Rebecca had every right to tell her (male) audience not to do that.
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I get it that there will always be difference of opinion. Some people will never agree about most things. That's fine. That's life.

Here's what I don't get. How the hell could someone, anyone, after all of this time not understand what the competing point is. How is it that you don't at least know what the opposition thinks so as to be so dismissive?
 
recursive prophet said:
Wish you'd posted this sooner as a reminder. I didn't quite go fetal, but I just got a PM here and this is the one site where they have always triggered my anxiety. It comes from all the time I wasted in 2010 arguing with others in Forum Management. As a result most of the PM's I've received here were AHH or infraction notices, and to this day I always get nervous when I see a PM notice at JREF. :eek:

I do hope discussing RW and EG will be seen as an extension of this topic and not a new one. It was one of the primal causes that led to the forming of the A+ site, and has been already analyzed extensively itt. To be consistent and move all of those posts would be a lot of unnecessary work for somebody, and I do think that story is worth further review.
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The way I see it, this is the interwebz. Really, who cares about an inbox from a mod or anyone else for that matter? I went through a period here where I was having lots of posts moved to AAH, even got a yellow card or two. It annoyed me and I was a bit confused by it but it's the internet. Who cares?

Now, I doubt that I'd last for more than a handful of posts at Aplusminus with their heavy handed and subjective moderation but all that would do for me is prove that it's not the kind of web forum to which I belong. Meh. Like I need to prove that to myself anyway.

As far as on topic/off topic in this thread, I think so far we've been given plenty of breathing space. There is the EG thread so yeah, I'd think that that conversation is better off being had in that thread. It's related to Aplusminus but only just.
 
jhunter1163 said:
I know it's wrong, but I'm picturing someone in the fetal position under a blanket, teddy bear under the arm, mumbling over and over "didn't see the sign, didn't see the sign..."
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Straight to the psych ward. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
 
kmortis said:
Don't trigger me...:mad:

:p
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Maybe we need a scary box for trigger warnings for those who don't like scary boxes.


Krikkiter said:
Errr but umm... word to the wise regarding moving posts to AAH and therefore having a poster receive a mod notification in their inbox, lest someone ends up in the fetal position with dribble running down their chin, don't do that.

:boxedin:
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Perhaps we could have something pop up to warn them they're about to get a pop up box about a PM.
 
theprestige said:
See, here's the thing: She didn't just tell her audience not to do that. She made it the stepping-stone for an indictment of schroedinger's rapist, and excuse to demonize men in general.
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I'm assuming that must have happened in follow up posts or videos? I cannot find where exactly she made the turn from EG to SR to demonising…
 
recursive prophet said:
Wish you'd posted this sooner as a reminder. I didn't quite go fetal, but I just got a PM here and this is the one site where they have always triggered my anxiety. It comes from all the time I wasted in 2010 arguing with others in Forum Management. As a result most of the PM's I've received here were AHH or infraction notices, and to this day I always get nervous when I see a PM notice at JREF. :eek:
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You haven't had an infraction in about a year and a half. A PM should be no cause for alarm.
 
Krikkiter said:
I went through a period here where I was having lots of posts moved to AAH, even got a yellow card or two. It annoyed me and I was a bit confused by it but it's the internet. Who cares?
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A lot of people go through a stretch where they get a lot of mod actions, especially when they first join. Most learn pretty quickly what they can and can't say, and conduct themselves accordingly.

Contrast this to the way "moderation" is conducted at A+, and draw your own conclusions.
 
jhunter1163 said:
A lot of people go through a stretch where they get a lot of mod actions, especially when they first join. Most learn pretty quickly what they can and can't say, and conduct themselves accordingly.

Contrast this to the way "moderation" is conducted at A+, and draw your own conclusions.
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I have and my conclusion was that their website management/moderation is hilariously amateurish.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Well, unless they waited at home for the guy, how'd she spit on the SUV, then?

(Apparently, one or two of them get out.)
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I thought it was clear I wasn't speaking quite literally.

Still, there was a point beyond snarkiness. Earlier somebody linked to a blog where, in another post, the blogger mentioned having been unable to go to college due to mental health issues, only being able to hold a minimum wage job, and so on. I'm not putting any of that down; our mental and physical apparatus are a lottery. But, this poster went on to bemoan how society does not compensate them at the same level as a more productive member of society. I can't claim to have sympathy for that position; you are going to be paid at a level at which you contribute. It may suck, but all the alternative that I can think of suck even worse.

So, ya, in a real sense they don't come into the world. They are trying to create a safe place (oh, how I want to put scare quotes around that phrase) where they get the same treatment as others despite being unable to do things like moderate their anger (tone policing), go into a classroom to receive an education, receive an unsolicited PM, handle being offended by others' comments, and so on. I don't see how any of that is going to happen, or why others would ever want to participate in such an environment.

In that very real sense they do not go into the world - they do not handle the situation that Scrut mentioned.
 
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Imagine what the A+ mod reaction would be to a thread like this. It'd be closed in seconds and the OP summarily banned.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244988

ETA: Just to be clear, no action was taken against any member as a result of that thread. To my mind, criticism comes with the territory when you're a mod.
 
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Horatius said:
Maybe we need a scary box for trigger warnings for those who don't like scary boxes.





Perhaps we could have something pop up to warn them they're about to get a pop up box about a PM.
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Or a trigger warning to tell them that a pop up box about a pop up box telling them that there'll be a pop up box about a pm shortly?

:boggled:

Ok I need coffee, and no, that's not an offer... (probably should have put a trigger warning for that, sorry).
 
ApostateltsopA said:
Phone post so I'll have to wait till much later to address all of you, but this seemes like a quick one I can touch on.

How is a basket of links with material substancially different from 120ish, and growing, pages of previous conversation? The links are at least orginized and don't expand by multiple pages daily. Since both groups of reading are directly relavent it seems quite hypocritical to damand one and deride the other.
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It was a specific response to your demand for examples. Examples abound in this thread hence this thread was my suggestion. It's certainly not required reading for participation.

Second and more general thought. I'm happy to talk at length about just about any topic but is there a policy here that has to keep it all on this thread? That would be very confusing to me. What about some threads specific to, say my elevatorgate vid since RP and I were talking about it and wanted to move the discussion, we can also hit shrodinger's rapist if you like or whatever but this thing is a monster of a thread.
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You can start a new thread (assuming the requisite number of posts, whatever that is) in the appropriate subforum.

Mod hat on:

I stole this hat.
 
jhunter1163 said:
*swipes hat back*

You can start a thread anytime; no minimum number of posts for that. You need 15 posts to be able to post links, and 50 to get an avatar. Until you get 15 posts, you can post truncated links (without the www. part) and someone will fix them for you.
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Yeah! Don't touch jhunter's hat. He gets really cranky without it. Some of us are ok being hatless.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
How do you know when you have achieved it? What is the conclusion?



Agreed. I think this is why it was doomed from the beginning.

ManU Supporters+
Plumbers+
Accountants+
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Hokulele said:
To continue to abuse my analogy, "social justice" is a large category, much like "scientific theories". In other words, you never really finish it all, just keep working at the various bits and pieces. For example, I consider myself a feminist, and my biggest personal hero is Patsy Mink. Very few people know who she was, but many people do know of her biggest contribution to US feminism: Title IX. That was a social justice issue, the dearth of funding and options in women's college athletic programs, which had a conclusion that was reached. Personally, I doubt that we could ever reach a point where all social justice issues could be considered dealt with, but I do believe that is no excuse for working away at the ones that can be identified and potentially solved.




Yep!
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Wow, I get to agree with both Scrut and Hok in one thread! And Myriad, but I didn't want to requote all posts. Any group in the world (well, the KKK might have a problem) can have a PLUS component. Chess Club+, Comic Fans+, Furries+, AA+.....

In fact, I think SJ proponents would be far better off trying to turn some of those groups onto the ideas and ideals they believe in than sitting around in a little tree house full of like-minded individuals.
 
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