Astrology as a God decree, Million Dollar Challenge

[Skeptic Guy]

I take a birthday like Oct. 3 rd and I progress it. By adding a day to their birthday for every year they have been alive. So 1970 means they are 38 years old this year. Then I add 38 days to the birthday this takes me to Nov. 10 1970. Then I read what it says about this year of that persons life. The moon is what changes the fastest, about every two days. I have every sign as commitment or non committal. Aries Libra Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are commitment signs. The others non committal. Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are the Marriage moons.

I met a woman in the parking lot today. She had many tattoos. I know that only someone with Cancer or Capricorn in their birthday would do this. So I asked her birthday. She told me her Moon was in cancer. So I took it from there. I did the fast math and said at 27 years old she is back to Cancer moon. She was 30 years old. The moon is a 27 day cycle.

So lets look at what happened her commitment cycle is as follows at 21 she goes into Aries moon at 23 and a half she goes into Taurus moon at 24 she got married I told her that she Married at 24. i also told her that she cheated on him and the relationship ended at 26 when she went into Gemini moon. She told me she cheated with a Gemini man and that is in fact when it ended. I did all of this without a book just simple Math.

As for Oct 3 1970 The big commitment times were Cancer moon at 17 to 18 years old, 25 to 28 for Libra and Scorpio moon, 31 to 33 for Capricorn moon, they are just entering Aries moon this year. Life is still a choice and some people marry when it is not the tiem for this but most of us do it when we feel the need to be with some one.

The Cardinal moon times are the beginning of the cycle and the end is the mutable moon.
If you want a fast answer to all of this you need to leave now, this is going to take some time. I have 500 times this much to share.

This is a nice anecdote that may or may not have happened, but it's not what has been requested. You don't need to tell us how it all works, just demonstrate that it does and then we can get into the details.

 

[astroman818]

I know here is where the fixed people hang out. Your the ones that give little old ladies parking tickets and love what you do, the hall monitors of life. I am more the drunk with 5 strippers at a dance club.
We are all so different. This is what astrology shows.

If I take the factorial of 360 for each the sun moon rising venus mercury and mars. Just the sun moon and rising give us 46,656,000 possible combinations. Yes I went to College.

We are all such different people is my point. What would you do when faced with the same change as the next guy? When my father got to Cancer moon at 28 he married my mother they are still together after 55 years. My older brother got to Cancer moon at 38 he got married and they are still together for 16 years. I go into Cancer moon this November.

 

[Piggy]

I take a birthday like Oct. 3 rd and I progress it. By adding a day to their birthday for every year they have been alive. So 1970 means they are 38 years old this year. Then I add 38 days to the birthday this takes me to Nov. 10 1970. Then I read what it says about this year of that persons life. The moon is what changes the fastest, about every two days. I have every sign as commitment or non committal. Aries Libra Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are commitment signs. The others non committal. Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are the Marriage moons.

I met a woman in the parking lot today. She had many tattoos. I know that only someone with Cancer or Capricorn in their birthday would do this. So I asked her birthday. She told me her Moon was in cancer. So I took it from there. I did the fast math and said at 27 years old she is back to Cancer moon. She was 30 years old. The moon is a 27 day cycle.

So lets look at what happened her commitment cycle is as follows at 21 she goes into Aries moon at 23 and a half she goes into Taurus moon at 24 she got married I told her that she Married at 24. i also told her that she cheated on him and the relationship ended at 26 when she went into Gemini moon. She told me she cheated with a Gemini man and that is in fact when it ended. I did all of this without a book just simple Math.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

So you're saying that if a complete stranger gives you a birth date, you can make concrete statements about that person's life which will be true and which will be something that could not reasonably be simply guessed or deduced -- such as whether they are married, the year they got married, whether they are divorced, the year they got divorced, and the reason for the divorce.

That's excellent!

It's not rigorous yet, but hey, we're rolling!

If you want a fast answer to all of this you need to leave now, this is going to take some time. I have 500 times this much to share.

Actually, you can relax, because you don't have to share any of your past successes.

Those are irrelevant to the challenge.

That should be a burden off your shoulders and will save everyone a lot of time.

What you have to do now is to work with JREF to set up a test in which you will demonstrate your ability.

Thanks for stepping up to the plate!

 

[Jackalgirl]

I take a birthday like Oct. 3 rd and I progress it. By adding a day to their birthday for every year they have been alive. So 1970 means they are 38 years old this year. Then I add 38 days to the birthday this takes me to Nov. 10 1970. Then I read what it says about this year of that persons life. The moon is what changes the fastest, about every two days. I have every sign as commitment or non committal. Aries Libra Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are commitment signs. The others non committal. Scorpio Taurus Capricorn and Cancer are the Marriage moons.

I met a woman in the parking lot today. She had many tattoos. ...

Astroman:

If you are given the birthdays of 10 people, can you do a reading using the birthdays alone?

If you have to ask questions, what do you need to ask? Is there a standard set of questions?

If those 10 readings are given to each of the 10 persons (each person gets a copy of all 10 readings), how many people do you think will be able to successfully pick their own reading?

 

[jimtron]

She had many tattoos. I know that only someone with Cancer or Capricorn in their birthday would do this.

If you're serious about this, please explain. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that the above statement is demonstrably false.

 

[logical muse]

Astroman:

If you are given the birthdays of 10 people, can you do a reading using the birthdays alone?

If you have to ask questions, what do you need to ask? Is there a standard set of questions?

If those 10 readings are given to each of the 10 persons (each person gets a copy of all 10 readings), how many people do you think will be able to successfully pick their own reading?

I've wondered about this type of test. I think there might be a problem with it. Popular culture informs us that there are certain personality traits that apply specifically to certain zodiac signs. For example, Taureans are supposed to be solid, reliable, grounded etc.

All an astrologer has to do is write up a reading with these cliched traits for the zodiac sign of that birth date, and the person to whom it applies might be able to pick up from those traits that it is theirs.

Not from actually having those personality traits, just from knowing they are supposed to. For example, here's what wikipedia has listed as the personality traits for Taurus:

* disciplined / methodical [7][8]
* conservative [9][8]
* traditional [7]
* hard-working
* good sense of humor
* great work ethic
* artistic / creative [9]
* musical
* loving / affectionate [8]
* romantic [9]
* sensual [9][7]
* sexual
* strong
* steadfast [8]
* stubborn / opinionated [9][7][8]
* controlling
* slow to anger, but can become furiously mad [7][8][10]
* getting stuck in ruts
* resentful [8]
* prudent / cautious / careful [9]
* reliable / dependable / trustworthy [8][10]
* calm
* tenacious [7]
* stable / steady
* patient [10]
* loyal / faithful [9][8][7]
* resourceful
* easygoing
* honest
* determined [9][7]
* practical [9][8][7]
* possessive
* overindulgent [9]
* jealous [8]
* self-conscious

And for Libra:

* Diplomatic / compromising [7][4] however possibly manipulative [8]
* Cooperative [7][4][8]
* Fair / balanced / impartial [7][4][8]
* Idealistic (in relationships) [7][4][8]
* Charming [7][4][8]
* Easy-going / sociable [7][4][8]
* Indecisive / changeable [7][4][8]
* Peace loving [7][4]
* Gullible / influenceable [7][4]
* Elegant / graceful [7][4][8]
* Refined / artistic / good taste [7][4][8]
* Pleasure oriented [7][4][8]
* Gentle [7][4]
* Sensitive to others [7][4]
* Kind [7][4]
* Cheerful [7][4]
* Romantic [7][4]
* Flirty / frivolous [7][4] however loyal in marriage [4]

All this astrologer has to do is look at the birthdate, determine which sign applies, and include these traits in the reading. Hand out the readings to the subjects, and if those subjects are knowledgeable about the zodiac, they might easily pick theirs out.

 

[arthwollipot]

I volunteer to offer my birthdate to Astroman for a reading. I am always amused to see what astrologers have to say about me.

 

[Susan Gerbic]

I know here is where the fixed people hang out. Your the ones that give little old ladies parking tickets and love what you do, the hall monitors of life. I am more the drunk with 5 strippers at a dance club.
We are all so different. This is what astrology shows.

So we are supposed to be nice, but you can be rude?

Susan

 

[Jackalgirl]

I've wondered about this type of test. I think there might be a problem with it. Popular culture informs us that there are certain personality traits that apply specifically to certain zodiac signs. For example, Taureans are supposed to be solid, reliable, grounded etc.

I see your point, but I can think of a couple of ways around this. Granted, this would rely on people's truthfulness, but you could pre-screen candidates based on their knowledge. Or get people from cultures that don't use the Western style of astrology.

Plus, I think that so many of these "qualities" are so vague that many people would find (or think) that they apply to them regardless. And they overlap. Take your examples, for example. If I were to describe someone as "pleasure oriented", someone who is "sensual" might take that as a hit. So I still think that this is doable.

 

[logical muse]

I see your point, but I can think of a couple of ways around this. Granted, this would rely on people's truthfulness, but you could pre-screen candidates based on their knowledge. Or get people from cultures that don't use the Western style of astrology.

This adds a lot of complexity to the test, and truthfulness is hard to assess and control.

Plus, I think that so many of these "qualities" are so vague that many people would find (or think) that they apply to them regardless. And they overlap. Take your examples, for example. If I were to describe someone as "pleasure oriented", someone who is "sensual" might take that as a hit. So I still think that this is doable.

The astrologer only needs to include a couple of traits that are specific to, or at least most commonly associated with, each sign. For example "slow to anger, but can become furiously mad" and "stubborn / opinionated", and voila, taurus and OMG That's so me!

 

[Piggy]

The astrologer only needs to include a couple of traits that are specific to, or at least most commonly associated with, each sign. For example "slow to anger, but can become furiously mad" and "stubborn / opinionated", and voila, taurus and OMG That's so me!

That's why I recommend the kind of test suggested by the OP's most recent post -- making specific, concrete statements about the facts of the person's life, along with dates when the events occurred, and specific statements regarding the material causes of those events.

Since the OP says he has done this before, it sounds like we may have a testable claim there.

Personality traits are probably not testable.

 

[Rasmus]

Here's a simple challenge idea; easy to test.

Astroman,
If I tell you my birthday, will you be able to tell when I last had sex or whom I had sex with? How about when will I have sex, or whom with?

I can provide you with the date of my birth, but not the time. I was born in Germany, if that is important.

Please also give a brief, clear explanation of what would count as "sex", just to be on the safe side. (e.g. the last interaction i had with someone was when I lend my phone to a girl yesterday who wanted to arrange a lift to be taken home. - so, if your answer should be "yesterday evening" i don't think that such an incidence ought to count as "sex", even tough i might be guilty of mild flirting.)

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

Someone send me a PM when and if this actually develops into something more or less like a paranormal test.

Unlike Maatorc.... and Mayday...... and Ferj....... and Tim4848.... and Tapman..... and Raptor Witness..... and.... well, you get the picture.

 

[astroman818]

I could do different reading on all of them. It is more interesting if I am looking for a certain thing. Like a brother died when I was young. Or your first bisexual encounter. I have been studying this everywhere and in every walk in life. After the challenge is done I want to do a radio show. I know they changed it to needing a media presence and an Academic sponsor. I found this out last night. Not a problem.

 

[astroman818]

Susan I am sorry if I came off rude I am just real. Being drunk with 5 strippers is not a very great thing. I think what I am saying is that we all have things to work on and this is life's challenge. We are all so different. Just your sun and moon say something about you. June 27 1967 I saw your birthday. Your parents were wrong for each other, The angle of your sun and moon is 150 degrees. Usually 8 to 9 times out of ten when I see this the parents were never married, divorced at 3 years old, or one or more parent died young. What it is saying is that the parents were wrong for each other. You carry this imbalance in you.

I wish I had one of you one on one.

I want a birthday to work on of some one that is up. I am alone now and my daughter is in bed.


I thought this would be fun writing in a forum but it really is a job. How do you people have 3000 to 10000 post here, in a year.

 

[Kimpatsu]

My birthday is 10/3/70, Mark.

Is that October 3, or 10 March?

 

[arthwollipot]

I want a birthday to work on of some one that is up. I am alone now and my daughter is in bed.

I am up for it. My birthday is 12th December 1969. What can you tell me about myself?

 

[astroman818]

I know it drove me nuts when people would give their birthdays from other countries and I never knew what they were talking about it was Oct 3 rd 1970. a birthday that was given me early on.

Like my birthday is 31/03/1961. We don't do that here in the United States. It is Month day year here.

 

[SezMe]

Some of the people on this forum (and the number has grown a lot even since I joined just a few years ago) either get their kicks or seem to think they'll get ATTABOYS from their fellow mean people by being rude and obnoxious.

In the context of this thread, that is a load of hooey. Every post I've read directed toward the astrologer has been polite and to the point. Well, except for my tongue in cheek one. Piggy, for one, has gone above and beyond the call of duty to try to get astroman to get down to business. Being direct and purposeful is far, far different than being rude and obnoxious.

In fact, astroman has shown those characteristics. He has not responded the the many proposed protocols. He has not directly responded to questions posted to him. He has rambled through his many posts, some of which contain a fair amount of arrogance. He has not focused on the MDC at all.

Don't paint your labels on the wrong targets.

 

[astroman818]

Sagittarius and Gemini these are very hard to read. By your own nature you question everything. Have a very hard time making choices. But I will try.