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Astral Projection - Verification?

The answer to the OP is yes, a properly conducted, well designed test under controlled conditions which had results that exceeded the pre-agreed success criteria would indeed provide evidence for the existence of astral projection. Just as properly conducted tests have provided evidence of everything from the wave nature of light to the Higgs Boson.

Sadly all such tests have so far yielded no positive results, so there is currently no evidence for astral projection.
 
Wonder234 said:
Would someone accurately reporting a series of digits after "seeing them" "out of body" prove that consciousness can exist independently of the body?
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Let me guess: You just did it, but can't guess the Powerball numbers because reasons.

Two words: Pathological Credulity
 
fromdownunder said:
Because you have already agreed that your OP was "random musing" and have offered nothing else which we can actually discuss. You have offered nothing as evidence, ergo, you are just making stuff up including your anecdote about a so-called Astral Projector.

Just do a test - you have been given several protocols, so it should as you said yourself in an earlier post " Doesn't sound that hard"

Just do it. and satisfy yourself, then post the evidence here. It does not sound that hard because it is not that hard.

Norm
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I think I've gotten what I wanted from this thread. There is a guy named Sam Parnia who's doing an experiment similar to this where he puts pictures I believe in various hospitals where dying patients who have out of body experiences from near death experiences are to see the picture and report back. I believe he's on his second or third project of this nature. In one of the previous studies there were only two people out of more than a thousand who had something resembling a near death experience but no was able to see the picture not that they couldn't, they just didn't. So he's doing it again.

As for doing a test; it seems like a worthwhile endeavor, but as of now I know no one who astral projects and it would be a bit of a hassle to find one and get them to do the test.
 
Pixel42 said:
The answer to the OP is yes, a properly conducted, well designed test under controlled conditions which had results that exceeded the pre-agreed success criteria would indeed provide evidence for the existence of astral projection. Just as properly conducted tests have provided evidence of everything from the wave nature of light to the Higgs Boson.

Sadly all such tests have so far yielded no positive results, so there is currently no evidence for astral projection.
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Yes it may never happen. It's no big deal.
 
Wonder234 said:
A team of researchers can pick the numbers and before the subject who has the out of body experience enters the building they place the numbers in a closed room, and they monitor that person as they make their way to the separate room from which they will "leave" their body all while someone watches them in that room the whole time from when they come in to when they "leave" their body and come back and report the number.
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Why haven't this team of researchers published in a peer review scientific journal. and why haven't the results been reproduced by separate teams of researchers? It sounds like a shoo-in for a Nobel Prize.

Unless it's all ********.
 
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John Jones said:
Let me guess: You just did it, but can't guess the Powerball numbers because reasons.

Two words: Pathological Credulity
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Yes, I do tend to believe easily and maybe I'm biased toward the supernatural, everyone's different.
 
There's nothing wrong with asking questions, provided you are willing to accept the actual answers even if they turn out to be different to those you would have preferred.
 
John Jones said:
Why haven't this team of researchers published in a peer review scientific journal. and why haven't the results been reproduced by separate teams of researchers? It sounds like a shoo-on for a Nobel Prize.

Unless it's all ********.
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Do you know that the soul doesn't exist? I don't know if the soul exists. It would be great if I could be agnostic and impartial about it but you don't really control being convinced of something. I don't know, it just seems like a flaw in human nature to me that people just don't remain agnostic about things they don't know.
 
Wonder234 said:
Yes, I do tend to believe easily and maybe I'm biased toward the supernatural, everyone's different.
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Yes. Some people have a capacity for critical thinking. Others are superstitious, crystal-sucking woo-woos (no one at ISF, of course).
 
Wonder234 said:
Do you know that the soul doesn't exist? I don't know if the soul exists. It would be great if I could be agnostic and impartial about it but you don't really control being convinced of something. I don't know, it just seems like a flaw in human nature to me that people just don't remain agnostic about things they don't know.
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I have no belief about the existence of souls. That's the null hypothesis. If someone will give me solid evidence of these alleged souls I may change my position. Do you have any such evidence?

Didn't think so.
 
John Jones said:
Yes. Some people have a capacity for critical thinking. Others are superstitious, crystal-sucking woo-woos (no one at ISF, of course).
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Haven't skeptics and believers been shown the same evidence for things and one believes and the other doesn't? I've been thinking these debates have more to do with the psychology of people than the facts, at least in some cases.
 
John Jones said:
I have no belief about the existence of souls. That's the null hypothesis. If someone will give me solid evidence of these alleged souls I may change my position. Do you have any such evidence?

Didn't think so.
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That's a good approach, don't believe until proven.
 
John Jones said:
Tell them astral project to my apartment. There's 500 in cash hidden somewhere here. If they tell you where it is, I'll send it to them.
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They're not into astral projection, actually kind of aversive to it, I wouldn't want to make them do something they didn't want to.
 
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