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Astral Projection - Verification?

Wonder234 said:
Yes, maybe you could have a big picture of something or big numbers.

Also, have you considered other people who are convinced they are not hallucinations?
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Sure, but the descriptions I have read are so remarkably similar to mine that I am confident that it is the same phenomenon. Others who believe this is real have the floor for performance and to collect a cool mil USD, if that deal still stands.
 
Wonder234 said:
I agree both with your thinking behind having one person write it and why not 6 digits? But maybe make them big so it can be seen easily, the out of body state could be hard to control.
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Yes, we can make the digits as big as the subject wants. The important thing is that nobody who is participating in the demonstration knows what the digits are.

And thanks for the correction RecoveringYuppy. I've always had trouble with probability.
 
MostlyDead said:
Sure, but the descriptions I have read are so remarkably similar to mine that I am confident that it is the same phenomenon. Others who believe this is real have the floor for performance and to collect a cool mil USD, if that deal still stands.
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Yeah, I've heard it can seem like a hallucination at times, I guess I'd have to experience it for myself and see what I thought.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yes, we can make the digits as big as the subject wants. The important thing is that nobody who is participating in the demonstration knows what the digits are.

And thanks for the correction RecoveringYuppy. I've always had trouble with probability.
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Is there anything else that would need to be in place? And if that's all what would you say of the results of the experiment if it were successful?
 
Wonder234 said:
Is there anything else that would need to be in place? And if that's all what would you say of the results of the experiment if it were successful?
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If such a test were successful - ie, that the subject correctly identified all six digits - then that would be an interesting result that would be worthy of further investigation.

I'll tell you now that this demonstration - and ones very similar - have been tried many, many times, and no-one has ever succeeded. So if someone finally did, that would be very exciting.
 
Wonder234 said:
Say the person "sees" the numbers in one room while "out of body" while their physical body is in another room. The researchers would be in the room with the persons body and when the person "comes back" the person reports the numbers without having left the room before reporting or without going into the room while in body with the number in it after the number has been placed.
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Then provide your evidence that this has been done. It is rather futile for us to discuss verification for something that so far you haven't demonstrated has happened.
 
Darat said:
Then provide your evidence that this has been done. It is rather futile for us to discuss verification for something that so far you haven't demonstrated has happened.
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I was not trying to prove that consciousness can exist independently of the body. I was trying to find out whether if there was such an experiment as the one I've talked about here, would it's "success" be enough to prove that it is possible for consciousness to exist independently of the body. Just knowing that it would prove it was possible is exciting to me. I kind of know it wouldn't be able prove the existence of a disembodied consciousness, I wanted to know what others think.
 
fromdownunder said:
Out of interest, have you ever met anyone who claimed to be able to "do" Astral Projection, and what evidence did they provide?

Norm
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I have met someone who claimed to be able to astral project. I didn't ask for evidence when we talked about it, but he gave me an anecdote. I do not remember the anecdote exactly or entirely, but he claimed to be able to see some kind of bright, shimmering, fluctuating lines surrounding a crying girls head while out of body.
 
Hokulele said:
How about there be a successful trial before we worry about the implications?
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I think of wanting to wait for a trial first and not wait for a trial as a preference, I just wanted to know if it would prove anything. And shouldn't you know if it would prove anything before you do the experiment?
 
arthwollipot said:
If such a test were successful - ie, that the subject correctly identified all six digits - then that would be an interesting result that would be worthy of further investigation.

I'll tell you now that this demonstration - and ones very similar - have been tried many, many times, and no-one has ever succeeded. So if someone finally did, that would be very exciting.
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Then I wonder if an experiment like this can succeed what makes or breaks them.
 
Wonder234 said:
I have met someone who claimed to be able to astral project. I didn't ask for evidence when we talked about it, but he gave me an anecdote. I do not remember the anecdote exactly or entirely, but he claimed to be able to see some kind of bright, shimmering, fluctuating lines surrounding a crying girls head while out of body.
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How convincing that sounds. I am suddenly a true believer. Why has your Astral Projection friend not won a Nobel Prize and on a world circuit tour making $Millions for his incredible discovery!

Oh wait, it's an anecdote and you can't remember the details. I take the above back. Do a test - you have several suggestions here already as to how to go about a preliminary test, so go for it.

But, naturally, you will back out of any sort of test, because you are just making stuff up.

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
How convincing that sounds. I am suddenly a true believer. Why has your Astral Projection friend not won a Nobel Prize and on a world circuit tour making $Millions for his incredible discovery!

Oh wait, it's an anecdote and you can't remember the details. I take the above back. Do a test - you have several suggestions here already as to how to go about a preliminary test, so go for it.

But, naturally, you will back out of any sort of test, because you are just making stuff up.

Norm
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I did not use his anecdote as evidence. What do you mean I am making stuff up?
 
Wonder234 said:
I did not use his anecdote as evidence. What do you mean I am making stuff up?
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Because you have already agreed that your OP was "random musing" and have offered nothing else which we can actually discuss. You have offered nothing as evidence, ergo, you are just making stuff up including your anecdote about a so-called Astral Projector.

Just do a test - you have been given several protocols, so it should as you said yourself in an earlier post " Doesn't sound that hard"

Just do it. and satisfy yourself, then post the evidence here. It does not sound that hard because it is not that hard.

Norm
 
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