Assuming God Exists, Could an Omnipotent God,

[TjW]

God could obviously deliver a book, could the receiver protect the original, and make backup copies properly, then distribute the original information exactly as received without corrupting the pure information which may contain a description of the imperfect receivers translation which God already knew would happen in hopes of bringing the receivers awareness of his shortcomings? is my question.

It's interesting to note that RF engineers routinely use "pre-distortion" on signals they want to send through channels they know the properties of, so that the received signal is undistorted. Judging by the Bible, omnipotent creator gods don't seem to have worked out this technique, even though they're omnipotent and created the source material, the channel and the receiver.

Could an omnipotent creator god be less clever than a human?

 

[kerikiwi]

Could an omnipotent creator god be less clever than a human?

Of course it could. It's omnipotent. It can do whatever it likes.

 

[Leumas]

If there is a Creator of the universe and everything in it Justice League Of Super Heroes... everything Super Heroes...

Do you think The Creator Of The Universe And Everything In It The League Of Super Heroes could get a Book to you save the world from disasters and heinous criminals?

Yes or No?

Could or Could Not?

Hypothetically speaking, you understand...

If.

I corrected your post for you to be MORE REALISTIC.


Now I am sure you can see that the answer is YES....just like the answer to your original meaningless question.

Also notice.....the fact that they did not, is a strong indication that there is no such thing....yes or no....hypothetically speaking, you understand!

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Omnipotence is logically impossible, so...in terms of definitions, yes, in terms of actual reality, such a god would be impossible.

 

[Toontown]

A stupid bumbler of a God would have followers who would continue to struggle unsuccessfully to prove He exists, even after several millenia of relentless, single-minded efforts.

This latest effort amounts to attempting to prove He exists by asserting that He would have had the Bible written if he exists. The Bible exists, therefore God exists.

Uh, yeah. Right. Just like the Cheshire Cat exists because the book "Alice in Wonderland" exists.

It's a stupid argument, in keeping with the assumption of a stupid, bumbling God who attracts logically challenged followers. Therefore, since the stupid, bumbling argument exists, the stupid, bumbling God must likewise exist.

See how that works? Now that's some logic, right there. It's like magic. Hell, I can prove any damn thing I want like that.

 

[Lowpro]

Of course it could. It's omnipotent. It can do whatever it likes.

This cracked me up...

 

[Giordano]

The OP is a beautiful example of a logic problem that can only prove the opposite of what the poster intended:

OP: If A then B.

Unfortunately for Jude, logic dictates that even if B is true, this does not prove A is true. If all humans are mammals, not all mammals are humans.

Amusing, it does work in the negation: If B is false, then A is false. If all human are mammals, and I am not a mammal, then I am not a human. If there is no unerring book that clearly is the word of God, then according to Jude, there is no God.

 

[Lowpro]

It's more likely that God delivered one of the Little Golden Books than any religious text from scripture.

 

[Giordano]

It's more likely that God delivered one of the Little Golden Books than any religious text from scripture.

That makes sense: The Little Golden Books are self-consistent, easy to read, and have very little violence. They also don't vary from edition to edition. But don't you feel that they limit your free will, given that they are obviously real, making you "have to believe in them."

 

[JudeBrando]

All these are good points; but I think Jude sees his God as all-good, as well as being omniscient and omnipotent. So, Jude, would you expect a book delivered by this God to be without error?

It's interesting to note that RF engineers routinely use "pre-distortion" on signals they want to send through channels they know the properties of, so that the received signal is undistorted. Judging by the Bible, omnipotent creator gods don't seem to have worked out this technique, even though they're omnipotent and created the source material, the channel and the receiver.

Could an omnipotent creator god be less clever than a human?

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2006/658/

"An engineer who is designing a communication system in anticipation of hostile jamming, or other countermeasures, needs to employ several critical techniques to be effective. In addition to taking advantage of available error detection and correction techniques, he will also attempt to spread his message throughout the available bandwidth. He will avoid clustering his message into areas which would increase his vulnerability to jamming or interference.

It is provocative to notice that the Biblical text evidences these same techniques. Where is the chapter on baptism? Or salvation? Or any specific critical doctrine? Every major theme is spread throughout the 66 books making up the total message. There is no concentration of any critical element in any single location. One can tear out a surprising number of pages and still not lose visibility of the essential message. (Some resolution or clarity would be lost, however.) This design intent of distributing the vital elements throughout the entire message system is even highlighted by Isaiah:

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: - Isaiah 28:9,10

...From Genesis to Revelation, Gods program for the redemption of mankind is carefully distributed throughout 66 books,5 penned by more than 40 different individuals span-ning over a thousand years! And, indeed, this abused collection has survived the jamming and interference of its enemies over many centuries without material damage!"

 

[kerikiwi]

And, indeed, this abused collection has survived the jamming and interference of its enemies over many centuries without material damage!"

 

[JudeBrando]

Of course, assuming that God exists, God could. Of course.

But did God?

A moot question since the book we have is so obviously not the one(s) originally written.

Every denomination thinks that their version of the book is the one that he intended.

Why not just...

God wanted the book to read like it was written by a bunch of pig-ignorant morons?

Would such a god need to use humans to write that book?

Would God really...

These are irrational concepts but given them I'd like to think he could do better...

...but if He... then the question is "would God...

Which makes the sheer number and sheer variety of bibles out there even more of a mystery for christians.

Why not just suggest that God intended for those verses and texts to be altered?

Which book and how could you tell?

If we are also talking about the same god who supposedly created the world why wouldn't that god inscribe some of its basic rules somewhere that no one could disbelieve. I mean, it would be a lot harder to be an atheist if the ten commandments were written in giant letters on the moon, visible to us here on earth.

Assuming God exists, why would an omnipotent god create a work of absolute truth, and then surround it with similar (and yet not true) works, thus making it next to impossible for a layperson to determine which is the "true" one?

But then the Bibble is full of contradictions so even that alone disproves the Christian god and the divine inspiration of the bad book.

Of course. However if such a God exists, it seems to have chosen not to deliver a Book that we can reasonably determine is of divine (or even alien) authorship. Everything we have is indistinguishable from the products of human effort.

...I'm sorry, but there goes the whole premise behind expecting God to make it so everyone can find his book, and the correct version of it...

Why not say something like "Thou shalt not travel faster than the speed of light"

He couldn't even build a fence around an apple tree, let alone write a book that eschews ambiguity and contradiction.

An omniscient, omnipotent being can't be countered. Only what such a being allows can happen. Assuming God exists, God allowed a plethora of contradictory holy scriptures; and this suited God's purposes, for it cannot be otherwise if an omniscient and omnipotent God exists.

Should we go by the sheer volume of the texts? In that case, should we worship Vishnu or Shiva? All in all though, I think it can be proved that Ahura-Mazda is the one true god.

Sure, so the question then becomes why didn't he/she/en/it?

You mean that book that is full of inaccuracies, contradictions and errors, and shows numerous alterations leading to many disputed variant readings over the centuries?

One doesn't need to read the Koran or the Book of Mormon to see that the Bible is the work of human authors who show no sign of divine inspiration.

Which brings us back to the matter of contradictions in the Bible... ...

It's all so obviously fake that I'm amazed that even mentally challenged people cannot see through it.

If he's able, then the question becomes why didn't he?

So why are there so many versions of this book and contradictions, Jude?

If there is a God, He (or She) clearly had nothing to do with this error ridden compendium of books we call the Bible.

Okay, hypothetically, were there such a God, this God could get a book to you, one that would be true and have no internal inconsistencies. Thus the book in question couldn't possibly be the Bible.

 

[JudeBrando]

How terribly dishonest of you. Why did you omit important parts of the replies made to your query?

...quoting a bunch of people out of context and ignoring their actual replies...

What lie? If you omit parts of people's responses to make it sound like they agree with you when they really don't, then you are being dishonest.

No, no you did not. What you did was pathetically dishonest.
You are lying, either to us or to yourself, but you are lying.

Again?

 

[Giordano]

Jude, have you been toying with us and you're really an atheist? Is this your coming out thread? Because otherwise your last two posts don't make any sense to me.

But in your prior post, you seem to be saying that God needed to use a complex code to get his ideas across without being lost or distorted. Dude, the guy is omnipotent according to you! He could deliver a book in clear text on gold leaf to everyone's kitchen table tomorrow. It can have a diamond seal on the cover 2 inches across that is strangely warm to the touch. He could have my refrigerator tell me his Word in a BBC English accent. He used to do this type of stuff all the time in the old and new testament. Why switch to such a indirect method, especially, being all knowing, God must have realized it didn't work: there are thousands of books claiming to be God's word out there, and hundreds of millions of people, by definition, believing in the "wrong" book just as strongly as you believe in your book. It only is useful to use code if the recipient has the key.

 

[catsmate]

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2006/658/<snippage>
...From Genesis to Revelation, Gods program for the redemption of mankind is carefully distributed throughout 66 books,5 penned by more than 40 different individuals span-ning over a thousand years! And, indeed, this abused collection has survived the jamming and interference of its enemies over many centuries without material damage!"

Utter rubbish. Your 'bible' is an incoherent mess, contradicting itself and reality numerous times.
So much for an omnipotent god..............

 

[dafydd]

Here Jude, have a butcher's at these.
http://www.krysstal.com/contradi.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

 

[dafydd]

Hey Jude, do you agree with this?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.''

And this?
Exodus 31v 15

''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. ''

I'm a musician, I'm working later today. When are you going to pop round and kill me?

 

[TjW]

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2006/658/

"An engineer who is designing a communication system in anticipation of hostile jamming, or other countermeasures, needs to employ several critical techniques to be effective. In addition to taking advantage of available error detection and correction techniques, he will also attempt to spread his message throughout the available bandwidth. He will avoid clustering his message into areas which would increase his vulnerability to jamming or interference.

It is provocative to notice that the Biblical text evidences these same techniques. Where is the chapter on baptism? Or salvation? Or any specific critical doctrine? Every major theme is spread throughout the 66 books making up the total message. There is no concentration of any critical element in any single location. One can tear out a surprising number of pages and still not lose visibility of the essential message. (Some resolution or clarity would be lost, however.) This design intent of distributing the vital elements throughout the entire message system is even highlighted by Isaiah:

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: - Isaiah 28:9,10

...From Genesis to Revelation, Gods program for the redemption of mankind is carefully distributed throughout 66 books,5 penned by more than 40 different individuals span-ning over a thousand years! And, indeed, this abused collection has survived the jamming and interference of its enemies over many centuries without material damage!"

Of course, the key to spread spectrum is that the receiver has to already have specialized knowledge of which parts of the spectrum to pay attention to at which times. Without that, the signal is meaningless noise. Indeed, that was the primary benefit seen by its inventor, Hedy Lamarr.
So: Are all parts of the Bible literally true? Should we be keeping kosher and stoning those who eat shellfish? Which parts are the result of human error?
Does the Koran also contain God's word? How about the Book of Mormon? What objective means do you use to determine this? (Remember, objective means that anyone at all will always come up with the same answer.)

 

[Foster Zygote]

Of course, assuming that God exists, God could. Of course.

But did God?

Why don't you directly address some of the comments that you posted?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Again?

Again, what?