Assistance required for telepathy proof

golfy said:
And how is a correct prediction based on the GSR reading not a positive result.
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This is an example of the sort of faulty working of the memory that leads to erroneous beliefs like yours in the first place.

Despite reading, and apparently understanding and acknowledging at the time, the posts which pointed out that the only thing your test with the doctor showed was that your polygraph was unreliable, you have already gone back to remembering this test as a hit.

If your memory is so unreliable about something so recent, it could also be misleading you into remembering far more cases of people seeming to know what you were thinking, and far fewer cases of people obviously not knowing what you were thinking, than actually occurred. It's a well known and well understood phenomenon called confirmation bias. I'm sure you've been pointed to links about it many times previously but as you seem to have forgotten perhaps it's time to refresh your memory:

http://www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html
 
The fact that she did not answer "No" is not that important as it would probably work anyway if she did not answer at all. I would be extremely surprised and bet my belief that I am telepathic on that fact that she can hear my thoughts.

Just because you told me that the test was not valid does not mean that I will take on board you conclusion. I have better insight to my experiences that you as I was the eye witness to the test. Like psychiatrists, you only conclude from what I tell you. I do not hold information back, but I cannot relay decades of experiences to you on a forum.

I do not automatically accept you opinion as true just because you say it, any more than you do with me. I need to prove myself correct, you need to prove me wrong if you want to beat me, not simply place conjecture on a forum. I’m not anywhere near that mentally weak, you’ll have to try harder – perhaps try falsifiability instead of words on a forum.


golfy
 
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golfy said:
Pixel42,

The predictions are always based on the GSR readings, nothing else. If the GSR has a higher reading on the "Did you write down the other word to me" and the GSR reading is higher than on "Did you write down the same word as me" then the RX has the other word according to the cat ship test. It would be stupid to conclude that the RX had the same word when the "other" word produced a higher GSR reading of at least 6 to 1 over the “same” word question.

I had no choice but to follow the GSR and conclude that the RX (Dr) had cat and she did. Conclusion, cat chip test made a correct prediction, not incorrect prediction.

As the cat ship test with the Dr is on the web in the form of an audio recording, then it is your memory that is at fault Pixel42.

golfy
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So, the answer given to the question doesn't matter? Only the question itself and the reading from the GSR? Had the doctor responded with "yes" both times, you'd have drawn the same conclusion?

I guess it must be since the doctor said she didn't know to both questions. She must have been lying equally both times.
 
Sledge said:
No it doesn't.
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Then enlighten us to how it works Sledge. You only know how something does by having a knowledge of how it does work. If you do not have that intricate knowledge, then your opinion is not valid.

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jsfisher said:
So, the answer given to the question doesn't matter? Only the question itself and the reading from the GSR? Had the doctor responded with "yes" both times, you'd have drawn the same conclusion?

I guess it must be since the doctor said she didn't know to both questions. She must have been lying equally both times.
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I did not ask her what she knew, I asked her about what she had written down. The fact that she said "I do not know" was not what she was trying to suppress, she was trying to suppress that she had written down a different word to me. If I knew that than I would know that she had written down cat, hence her effort to suppress that fact, hence the very high GSR reading on the second question.

If she had robbed a bank and I asked her “Did you rob the post office?” and she answered “What post office?” than the GSR ready would likely to be low. If I then asked her “Did you rob the bank?” (that she did rob) and she then answered “What bank?”, her GSR reading would probably be very high as the question had pressed a sensitive button and she would flush and look very stressed, trying not to appear guilty etc. The GSR would pick this up and show a high reading, yet she has not denied anything.

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golfy said:
I did not ask her what she knew, I asked her about what she had written down. The fact that she said "I do not know" was not what she was trying to suppress, she was trying to suppress that she had written down a different word to me. If I knew that than I would know that she had written down cat, hence her effort to suppress that fact, hence the very high GSR reading on the second question.

golfy
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Is there no reality you cannot contort to match your fantasy?
 
jsfisher said:
Is there no reality you cannot contort to match your fantasy?
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It's not contortion, it is insight into how the test works. You seem to be getting annoyed because you can't beat me. As a poly operator for his opinion if mine is not acceptable. He may prove me to be wrong but only extensive testing will be the final arbitrator, so calm down guys.

Yesterday when I did the test again with the Gel, the guy took a tablet when I as there, a while before the test started. I have asked him what it was and he said it was a beta blocker as his Dr has found a heart flutter. That will annoy you guys further, as I will take that test as not relevant. What is needed is a string of volunteers to take a cat ship test and gain more meaningfull results.

golfy
 
golfy said:
But a GSR does work, so enlightenment please.

Sidestepping is a indication of lack of knowledge and understanding, a skill in which you are very accomplished.

golfy
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I never said they didn't. What do you want me to enlighten you on in particular?
 
golfy said:
What is needed is a string of volunteers to take a cat ship test and gain more meaningfull results.
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What is needed is a string of volunteers to take a cat ship test under carefully controlled conditions and gain any meaningful results.

What progress have you made towards making that happen? Have you been in touch with the Cambridge skeptics in the pub group yet, to see if they'll help? Do you want me to ask the Cheltenham skeptics in the pub group if they'll help when I attend my first meeting on Tuesday?
 
golfy said:
It's not contortion, it is insight into how the test works. You seem to be getting annoyed because you can't beat me. As a poly operator for his opinion if mine is not acceptable. He may prove me to be wrong but only extensive testing will be the final arbitrator, so calm down guys.

Yesterday when I did the test again with the Gel, the guy took a tablet when I as there, a while before the test started. I have asked him what it was and he said it was a beta blocker as his Dr has found a heart flutter. That will annoy you guys further, as I will take that test as not relevant. What is needed is a string of volunteers to take a cat ship test and gain more meaningfull results.

golfy
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And we are just to take your word for this?

I did the same test you did and got opposite results. See how easy it is to say you did something on the internet?

Are you ever going to put up? Or are you just going to continue slinging internet stories for another 2 years?
 
golfy said:
That is a valid point, then I will have to get at least 26 out of 30 to prove my claim.

My understanding is that James Randi as a magician will remove all possibilities of communication by adding to the protocol measures that prevent any communication other than telepathy.

golfy
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Close. If your application is approved, you will negotiate a protocol acceptable to both you and JREF with JREF staff. The agreed upon protocol will be submitted to Randi for final approval. He may require changes (which will have to be agreed upon by you before a test can take place) but this doesn't happen very often, the staff know what they are doing.

Please don't expect an 80% success rate for your polygraph. Since the subjects will be conspiring against you, they will no doubt do the small amount of research necessary to learn how to beat a poly, and will achieve much better than a 20% success rate.
 
golfy said:
Surely I can understand a simple GSR.
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I don't expect you to take my word for it that a GSR is very easy to manipulate, but you own one, it should be worth 5 minutes of your time to verify this for yourself.
 
golfy said:
It's not contortion, it is insight into how the test works.
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Confirmation bias, not insight.

You seem to be getting annoyed because you can't beat me.
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Annoyed? Not at all. I am, however, impressed by the depth of your beliefs.

Be all that as it may, you've made an incredible claim, and the only way for it to be taken as fact is for you to gather some compelling, verifiable evidence. Do let me know when you have some.
 
Paulhoff said:
Soooo, when is the million dollar test?

Paul

:) :) :)
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Rhetorical question.

It would the same as when you would do it, when you are confident that your results are conclusive and reliable enough to pass the 10000 to 1 hurdle.

golfy
 
Marcus said:
Close. If your application is approved, you will negotiate a protocol acceptable to both you and JREF with JREF staff. The agreed upon protocol will be submitted to Randi for final approval. He may require changes (which will have to be agreed upon by you before a test can take place) but this doesn't happen very often, the staff know what they are doing.

Please don't expect an 80% success rate for your polygraph. Since the subjects will be conspiring against you, they will no doubt do the small amount of research necessary to learn how to beat a poly, and will achieve much better than a 20% success rate.
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Your last statement can be viewed as they know I am telepathic and therefore need to manipulate the GSR or poly results to make me fail, so that it keeps the cover up going as the method of proof has been deliberately sabotaged to be in your favour. How would they know in which direction to manipulate the GSR if you do not know which word I have, unless I am telepathic of course.

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golfy said:
Rhetorical question.

It would the same as when you would do it, when you are confident that your results are conclusive and reliable enough to pass the 10000 to 1 hurdle.

golfy
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So, you can't do it.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
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