Assistance required for telepathy proof

[golfy]

If you understand that, don't you see that hooking a subject up to a GSR/poly/lie detector and interrogating them is "communication other than telepathy" and would therefore prevent your protocol from ever being acceptable?

Demonstrated Akhenaten. Easy enough, now I have reached the dizzy heights of your ability, I feel quite good about myself.

As I have mentioned before Hitch, there is a You Tube video of JR conducting a test with a subject who uses a GSR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP5_4x8eBXI and states it can also be used as a lie detector. I did let you clowns into this information a long time ago and but you seem happier writing unsubstantiated BS, so I let you carry on in your own fantasy land for a while untill the appropriate time has arrived to OUACOW.

A lot of what you people claim seems to be based on little but your own ideas of what others would do, born from your inadequate understanding of what you are discussing or making statements about.

Back up what you claim to be true or stop posting rubbish.

golfy

 

[Skepdan]

As I have mentioned before Hitch, there is a You Tube video of JR conducting a test with a subject who uses a GSR

That clip is from the Psychic Investigator series. It isn't a MDC test/application.

 

[golfy]

And that makes it invalid in the JREF challenge how?

golfy

 

[Skepdan]

Well, a million dollars is at stake with the MDC. Understandably, the tests will be more scientific and robust compared to a TV show devised primarily as entertainment.

 

[dlorde]

... there is a You Tube video of JR conducting a test with a subject who uses a GSR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP5_4x8eBXI and states it can also be used as a lie detector.

There's a difference between a test for entertainment on a TV show and the MDC.

 

[golfy]

Yes, I know that, hence the 10000 to 1 criteria for the actual $1M challenge. We are not discussing that though are we? We are discussing the criteria whether a GSR/poly/lie detector is acceptable in the JREF test – I say it is and that JR will allow it to be used, you say it is not.

If JR will allow it in other thought transference tests, then I can’t see why he will not allow similar instruments in the $1M challenge but with the added robustness of the 1000 or 10000 to 1 hurdle. Proving telepathy should have no boundaries set to it apart from falsifiability.

golfy

 

[dlorde]

We are discussing the criteria whether a GSR/poly/lie detector is acceptable in the JREF test – I say it is and that JR will allow it to be used, you say it is not

Whoa! You're mistaking me for someone else. I happen to think the MDC might allow it if you formulate your protocol just right. We won't know until you get your finger out, satisfy the conditions, and make the application.

 

[golfy]

I have just tried another GSR test on the same person who did the test last week and this time no response on two tests with the gel. The trend seems to be after the first few tests it stops working. I’ll try with a few more people next week and get back with the results.

golfy

 

[golfy]

Whoa! You're mistaking me for someone else. I happen to think the MDC might allow it if you formulate your protocol just right. We won't know until you get your finger out, satisfy the conditions, and make the application.

Exactly what I have been trying to do.

golfy

 

[Sean84]

This is basic falsifiability, isn't it Sean84. Put forward a premise and then design a protocol to prove the premise wrong. If the protocol proves it wrong, the premise has been falsified. If the test cannot prove the premise wrong, then the premise must be viewed as true.

golfy

PS "it will at least be enough to convince him to start questioning his assumptions" Please see the film "A Beautiful Mind". This rational has been mentioned by others and is valid. Unless you can get the person in question to question his own beliefs by a logical demonstration of why that person is not what they think, then their beliefs stat rock solid.

The string of GSR tests will make me question my belief if they do match up to my premise. I am confident that my rational is sound and I have not made a mistake.

If failing your cat/ship/blinkylights test can get you back on your meds then more power to you.

In reality there's no reason to run any test to try to get any money from it as any properly done test will result in failure. I know this because I read your premise

My premise is that you as well as everyone else can hear me and have always been able to hear me and are just lying.

and asked myself two simple questions:

1) Whose thoughts am I hearing? Mine.

2) Am I lying? Nope.

It was thereby demonstrated to my satisfaction that your premise is false. All that is left is for you to devise a method that will prove it to yourself. That is the main reason I've taken issue with your gadget and referred to it as a "treasure trove of excuses".

The test with your doctor didn't give a positive result but you liked the result so it was proof of telepathy. A different test gave you results you didn't like so you blamed the machine and decided you need conductive gel and a shock collar.

The future looks bleak.

 

[Beaver Hateman]

Yes, I know that, hence the 10000 to 1 criteria for the actual $1M challenge. We are not discussing that though are we? We are discussing the criteria whether a GSR/poly/lie detector is acceptable in the JREF test – I say it is and that JR will allow it to be used, you say it is not.

If JR will allow it in other thought transference tests, then I can’t see why he will not allow similar instruments in the $1M challenge but with the added robustness of the 1000 or 10000 to 1 hurdle. Proving telepathy should have no boundaries set to it apart from falsifiability.

golfy

He will not allow it to be used by you because you do not have a significant public or media profile. Even if you are telepathic it doesn't matter, unless your country's media are promoting you as a famous telepathic bloke. This is not going to happen because either you're not telepathic, or there's a conspiracy to say you're not. Isn't that all you need to know?

 

[golfy]

The test with your doctor didn't give a positive result

And how is a correct prediction based on the GSR reading not a positive result. What you are saying is that correct prediction, not a positive result, incorrect prediction, not a positive result.

Untill you can write logical statements I find it hard to value your opinion in any way.

golfy

 

[BTMO]

And how is a correct prediction based on the GSR reading not a positive result. What you are saying is that correct prediction, not a positive result, incorrect prediction, not a positive result.

Untill you can write logical statements I find it hard to value your opinion in any way.

golfy

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

Well, thank you for that. My irony meter just flatlined. Now I need a new one.

 

[Sean84]

And how is a correct prediction based on the GSR reading not a positive result. What you are saying is that correct prediction, not a positive result, incorrect prediction, not a positive result.

Untill you can write logical statements I find it hard to value your opinion in any way.

golfy

This has already been covered. Go back and read some of the older posts.

Your doctor answered both questions with some variation of "I don't know". It was not a successful test by any stretch of the imagination. It wasn't a test at all actually.

Future: bleak.

 

[golfy]

A GSR measures the stress caused by your guilt in your mind that you are trying to suppress so not to give the game away, it does not hear the answer! I could probably get the right result without the person actually answering anything at all.

golfy

 

[golfy]

I'll try it on a volunterr and see what I get - maybe then you will understand the significance of the test.

golfy

 

[Sean84]

I'll try it on a volunterr and see what I get - maybe then you will understand the significance of the test.

golfy

Whatever, matey, just make sure you grease 'em up real good. Wouldn't want you to waste your time or anything...

 

[beren]

A GSR measures the stress caused by your guilt in your mind that you are trying to suppress so not to give the game away, it does not hear the answer! I could probably get the right result without the person actually answering anything at all.

golfy

1. Why would we feel guilt about lying? Since we are all in on it.
2. How does it tell the difference between lie stress and other stresses (such as being asked a question you don't know the answer to?
3. You do understand that it **doesn't work** right?

 

[dlorde]

3. You do understand that it **doesn't work** right?

You'd think so - he said earlier:

I have just tried another GSR test on the same person who did the test last week and this time no response on two tests with the gel. The trend seems to be after the first few tests it stops working.

There must be a difference between knowing and understanding. ISTR the gel was supposed to make it more consistent - although no response every time is a kind of consistency... or maybe he plugged the wrong wires into the mains

 

[Sledge]

A GSR measures the stress caused by your guilt in your mind that you are trying to suppress so not to give the game away, it does not hear the answer!

No it doesn't.