Assistance required for telepathy proof

[golfy]

One can fool oneself easily. The first step out of the labyrinth of self-deception is to consider the possibility one might be mistaken.

I did that between 15 and 13 years ago and finally came to the conclusion that the only thing that fits all the circumstantial evidence is that I am telepathic.

I don't conclude things on a whim, it was carefully thought out over a long period of time.

golfy

 

[golfy]

Thanks for your input Speed of Light,

golfy

 

[Czarcasm]

golfy, do you understand what the purpose of a test is? The purpose of the MDC test is to see whether or not you have a claimed ability. It is not the purpose of the MDC test to "prove" that you have a claimed ability. If you pass the test, that you and the JREF agree upon beforehand, you get the money. If, on the other hand, you do not pass the test the only legitimate conclusion we can come to is that you failed.
If you keep insisting that the "test" must show that you have your claimed ability, you will go nowhere with this.

 

[golfy]

I have just been in contact with a friend who has my GSR and he has agreed that he has time to do some experiments in the next few days.

Does anyone have any ideas they would like to put forward on what the bests subject matter or mental questions and thoughts would be that would most likely illicit a response in the receiver when connected to a GSR. The receiver will be a late 30’s male and will be writing a little of his background soon so I can post it here as it may be relevant or give clues to what questions or words may be most suitable.

It may be an idea for me to think first and then observe the response on the GSR and then say the same thing I just thought after 20 seconds or so and then to observe the effect the verbal message has on the GSR reading so that a comparison can be made between the two. If I get no response on the verbal test then it is extremely unlikely I would have got a response during the telepathic phase.

golfy

 

[Speed of Light]

No, thetest is not supposed to be designed to prove his ability to others-the test is supposed to see if he has the ability in the first place!

One can fool oneself easily. The first step out of the labyrinth of self-deception is to consider the possibility one might be mistaken.

Speed of Light, we have no valid evidence at all for golfy's claims. He may as well have had 14 years of psychOTic experiences. We do not have evidence for that either. Both are possibilities, to be explored in a proper controlled test. Or not.

As an Open minded skptic, you need to be open to all possibilities.

As I said before, of the many possibilities, it is possible that he could just know that he is psychic, without needing to confirm it for himself -

You have no way of knowing whether this is the case, or not -

So I put it to you that asking him if he will admit he has no psychic ability if he fails a test, is rude

As you do not know the truth about him or his abilities, you should consider only your point of view about the test, and not try to tell him what to do or believe

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I have just been in contact with a friend who has my GSR and he has agreed that he has time to do some experiments in the next few days.

Does anyone have any ideas they would like to put forward on what the bests subject matter or mental questions and thoughts would be that would most likely illicit a response in the receiver when connected to a GSR. The receiver will be a late 30’s male and will be writing a little of his background soon so I can post it here as it may be relevant or give clues to what questions or words may be most suitable.

It may be an idea for me to think first and then observe the response on the GSR and then say the same thing I just thought after a period of time to observe the effect it has on the GSR reading when I know the person can hear me verbally. If I get no response on the verbal test then it is extremely unlikely I would have got a response during the telepathic phase.

golfy

Do you understand that this path will not lead you to your application being accepted by the JREF?

Could you tell us your definition of falsifiability and how it is reflected in your protocol proposal?

Are you surprised the JREF won't allow a polygraph, golfy?

 

[chillzero]

The receiver will be a late 30’s male and will be writing a little of his background soon so I can post it here as it may be relevant or give clues to what questions or words may be most suitable.

I need to advise you that this is inadviseable unless the person has clearly indicated that they permit this to be published. However, it would be preferable for them to post here themself.

I will not bother getting into why this is the wrong way to go about this test, as you are clearly completely impervious to the discussion.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

As an Open minded skptic, you need to be open to all possibilities.

As I said before, of the many possibilities, it is possible that he could just know that he is psychic, without needing to confirm it for himself -

You have no way of knowing whether this is the case, or not -

So I put it to you that asking him if he will admit he has no psychic ability if he fails a test, is rude

As you do not know the truth about him or his abilities, you should consider only your point of view about the test, and not try to tell him what to do or believe

Speed of Light, meet Occam's Razor.

And please note as well that golfy has not even acknowledged the mere possibility that he might be mistaken about the nature of his claimed ability. He has also said that he considers every test disproving his claimed ability flawed.

 

[golfy]

Hi chillzero,

I have asked the receiver and he has stated that he is completely happy to write a small summary about himself to be posted on here. If there is an objection to this from the forum members then I would be happy to refrain from doing so.

golfy

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Hi chillzero,

I have asked the receiver and he has stated that he is completely happy to write a small summary about himself to be posted on here. If there is an objection to this from the forum members then I would be happy to refrain from doing so.

golfy

Do you understand that this path will not lead you to your application being accepted by the JREF?

Could you tell us your definition of falsifiability and how it is reflected in your protocol proposal?

Are you surprised the JREF won't allow a polygraph, golfy?

[/CFLarsen]

 

[chillzero]

Hi chillzero,

I have asked the receiver and he has stated that he is completely happy to write a small summary about himself to be posted on here. If there is an objection to this from the forum members then I would be happy to refrain from doing so.

golfy

Nothing to do with forum members. It's in your Membership Agreement not to publish personal details of anyone. It seems we only have your word for it that this person agrees.

 

[golfy]

My goal is to perfect a test as far as I can with the limited resources at hand which either strongly statistically (thanks fls) or categorically points towards the fact that I am telepathic. I am not on here to argue moo points (to quote Joey) that have little relevance when I have total proof of my ability from a life time of memories and experiences which all fit in the same puzzle and equal telepathy.

I am after “assistance” if it can be offered which may help me produce the right kind of statements or questions to think to almost any receiver or even specific receivers, that produce the most repeatable and most obvious GSR deflections.

I am not trying to convince argumentative critics but I am trying to get closer to scientific proof which then proves my claim instead.

golfy

 

[GzuzKryzt]

My goal is to perfect a test as far as I can with the limited resources at hand which either strongly statistically (thanks fls) or categorically points towards the fact that I am telepathic. I am not on here to argue moo points (to quote Joey) that have little relevance when I have total proof of my ability from a life time of memories and experiences which all fit in the same puzzle and equal telepathy.

I am after “assistance” if it can be offered which may help me produce the right kind of statements or questions to think to almost any receiver or even specific receivers, that produce the most repeatable and most obvious GSR deflections.

I am not trying to convince argumentative critics but I am trying to get closer to scientific proof which then proves my claim instead.

golfy

Do you understand that this path will not lead you to your application being accepted by the JREF?

Could you tell us your definition of falsifiability and how it is reflected in your protocol proposal?

Are you surprised the JREF won't allow a polygraph, golfy?

[/CFLarsen]

 

[Loss Leader]

I am after “assistance” if it can be offered which may help me produce the right kind of statements or questions to think to almost any receiver or even specific receivers, that produce the most repeatable and most obvious GSR deflections.

I am not trying to convince argumentative critics but I am trying to get closer to scientific proof which then proves my claim instead.

Golfy -

Your friend's willingness to participate in your self-test is very nice. Many, many applicants never perform any sort of self-test at all.

However, it does bring us back to an interesting question: If your friend is willing to drive over to your place, loan out his GSR, set it up for you, give you a brief summary of his life for you to post on the internet, and sit for your experiment ... if he is willing to do all of that ... why do you need the GSR at all? Why wouldn't he be willing to admit that he heard your thoughts? What motive would he have to do all that work for you just to lie about receiving telepathic information?

Just write down thirty common nouns, shuffle them up, pick ten and think them at him one at a time. He writes down the words he got and then you compare the two lists.

You are asking us how the GSR can be used most effectively. But you've skipped a step. We must first determine whether the GSR is the best measuring instrument for telepathy in the first place.

Why would self-reporting by your friend be less reliable than GSR results?

 

[Quinn]

I have total proof of my ability from a life time of memories and experiences which all fit in the same puzzle and equal telepathy.

Here's the thing: "total proof" of anything can not be reliably derived from "a life time of memories and experiences." Ever. At all. Really. If you think you have proof of something based on memories and experiences, then you are, quite simply, wrong. (Sorry to be so blunt about it, but it's not my rules, it's just reality.) The reason for this, is because human memory and experience are notoriously, demonstrably unreliable. What you may derive from them is deep personal conviction, but that is not anywhere near the same thing as proof. Proof (or the term we prefer to deal with, evidence) exists independently of anyone's personal conviction -- yours that you're telepathic, or your critics' that you're mistaken. So if evidence is genuinely what you're after, your personal conviction is best checked at the door.

I am not trying to convince argumentative critics but I am trying to get closer to scientific proof which then proves my claim instead.

Scientific proof is achieved by what you have wrongheadedly labeled "argumentative critics." The way to prove something right is to try to prove it wrong, and fail, over and over again.

 

[golfy]

Loss Leader,

Have you considered that he may not be conscious of my telepathic “transmissions” but that it may still be detectable on a GSR?

If you can suggest a better device for detecting received telepathic transmissions that may cause stress in the receiver then I would be happy to hear it.

golfy

 

[Quinn]

Have you considered that he may not be conscious of my telepathic “transmissions” but that it may still be detectable on a GSR?

How would you reconcile this with your earlier claim that people around you consciously "hear" your thoughts, but pretend not to?

 

[Czarcasm]

Is it one of your requirements that any test taken for the MDC must show that you have the ability you claim to have, and if the test does not show this, it is a defective test?
Do you know what the word "falsifiability" means?
Do you know what the word "test" means?

 

[Speed of Light]

Golfy
In 'Psychic' circles, it is considered that children are naturally more psychic than adults, but we lose the ability as we get older. For example, it is said that children are naturally attuned to Reiki, but as they lose their childlike nature, they lose it all. Having said that, if your strong point is 'sending', and you were looking for the best possible 'receiver' you could hook up a baby to the equipment - You would not have to send words. An emotional picture is all that would be needed.
It is also said (amongst psychics) that animals are more psychic than humans - especially cats - How about hooking up a cat to the equipment, and e.g. imagine a ferocious dog, and testing for a reaction.
Finally, some people claim that flowers grow better when they are 'loved'.
What about hooking up 'flowers'? and seeing if you can affect them by telepathy.
I know it sounds a bit weird, but It's what I would do in your position - as a method of getting the best possible receivers, if you'e good at sending.
Another big advantage doing it this way, is that you could do it on your own, and be your own boss!
In fairness, I have to say that I think you will find it more difficult than you anticipate, for a number of reasons

 

[wahrheit]

Have you considered that he may not be conscious of my telepathic “transmissions” but that it may still be detectable on a GSR?

If you can suggest a better device for detecting received telepathic transmissions that may cause stress in the receiver then I would be happy to hear it.

A couple of pages earlier you said they can hear you, but everybody lies about it.

Now they are suddenly not conscious of your telepathic "transmission"?

Your story doesn't add up, sorry.

And scientific evidence doesn't care about years of personal experience and your being absolutely sure about your abilities.

They either exist or they don't. All this GSR/MRI/polygraph business is nothing but useless ballast and obfuscation.