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Arguments on Edgar Cayce

Plastictowel

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I hope I spelled that right. Generally when I see a fortune teller, tarrot reader, cold reader, whatever, I can easily pick apart their mind game and always know "FAKE!!!!!!!!!" However I was watching Edgar Cayce on "Unsolved Mysteries" and he intrigued me. Although it was UM, which I've seen MANY times swear ghost are real, so I further researched him. My Dad has done the same...Everything we both find, backs the guy up. And they support their evidence (I know it could be fake, but regardless they have evidence) as to how the man is legit. My Dad is also starting to believe it after all his reading...Can anyone show me some proof, or a common website, totally debunking this man? From what I see, he isn't you're typical easy to catch Sylvia Browne liar...he really covered his lieing tracks.
 
Plastictowel said:
Can anyone show me some proof, or a common website, totally debunking this man? From what I see, he isn't you're typical easy to catch Sylvia Browne liar...he really covered his lieing tracks.
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Can you give us specific examples of why you believe Cayce his correct?

I don't think any accuses Cayce of lying. He may have been sincere in what he said. He was just wrong.
 
Plastictowel said:
I hope I spelled that right. Generally when I see a fortune teller, tarrot reader, cold reader, whatever, I can easily pick apart their mind game and always know "FAKE!!!!!!!!!" However I was watching Edgar Cayce on "Unsolved Mysteries" and he intrigued me. Although it was UM, which I've seen MANY times swear ghost are real, so I further researched him. My Dad has done the same...Everything we both find, backs the guy up. And they support their evidence (I know it could be fake, but regardless they have evidence) as to how the man is legit. My Dad is also starting to believe it after all his reading...Can anyone show me some proof, or a common website, totally debunking this man? From what I see, he isn't you're typical easy to catch Sylvia Browne liar...he really covered his lieing tracks.
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Everything you find backs the guy up? Really?

So...

The Earth's magnetic poles really did flip-flop in 1998?

China has become the new "cradle of Christianity"?

Atlantis has been discovered?

Hitler really was a swell guy after all?

The eastern half of the United States is covered in sea water?

Japan and England have sunk beneath the waves?
 
Psiload: I thought 1998 was when the magnetic poles would simply disappear, as he'd been doing about a dozen or so pole flip predictions before that? Oh well, it's hard to keep count... ;)

And let's not forget that Lost Angeles and New York were also supposed to sink into the oceans back in 1968.
 
Psiload said:
Everything you find backs the guy up? Really?

Hitler really was a swell guy after all?
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This is quite typical of the debunking crowd. As you will see, if you bother to actually study Cayce's readings, you will find the following, as summarized on Wikipedia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce
1933 Gives reading 3976-13 in November, which praises Adolf Hitler.
1934 Gives reading 3976-15 in January, which calls into question Hitler's destiny because he has allowed imperialism to enter in.
1938 Gives reading 1554-3 in March, which calls Germany "a smear upon its forces for its dominance over its brother; a leech upon the universe for its own sustenance."
1939 Gives reading 257-211 in September, less than a month after the beginning of World War II, which states that Hitler's future will be "death."

Further, as I've pointed out previously on other threads, Cayce's forte was not prophecy, but medical healings, such as that of the cure of Aime Dietrich, whose case was pronounced hopeless by the orthodox medicine of the time. This is also summarized in the Wikipedia article. Now, if someone could debunk that case or one of the numerous other cases where Cayce's treatments resulted in cures, I would be impressed. But, up to this point, that hasn't happened.
 
For a thoughtful examination of the work of Edgar Cayce, check out Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things. He devotes a chapter to Cayce, and it's as good an argument as any as to why Cacye was pretty much a fraud.
 
Rodney said:
This is quite typical of the debunking crowd. As you will see, if you bother to actually study Cayce's readings, you will find the following, as summarized on Wikipedia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Cayce
1933 Gives reading 3976-13 in November, which praises Adolf Hitler.
1934 Gives reading 3976-15 in January, which calls into question Hitler's destiny because he has allowed imperialism to enter in.
1938 Gives reading 1554-3 in March, which calls Germany "a smear upon its forces for its dominance over its brother; a leech upon the universe for its own sustenance."
1939 Gives reading 257-211 in September, less than a month after the beginning of World War II, which states that Hitler's future will be "death."

Further, as I've pointed out previously on other threads, Cayce's forte was not prophecy, but medical healings, such as that of the cure of Aime Dietrich, whose case was pronounced hopeless by the orthodox medicine of the time. This is also summarized in the Wikipedia article. Now, if someone could debunk that case or one of the numerous other cases where Cayce's treatments resulted in cures, I would be impressed. But, up to this point, that hasn't happened.
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Gee, I don't see anything earth shattering in those. No specific dates. No exact information. Nothing particularly predictive there at all. Just about anyone in that time who was up on what was going on at the time could have said the same, YAWN.
 
Spidey13 said:
Isn't this everybody's future?
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Ultimately, but in September 1939 that was Cayce's one-word response to the question about Hitler's future, which represented the final step in Cayce's evolution of thought regarding Hitler. By March 1938 -- still a year and half before WWII began -- Cayce condemned Nazi Germany in the strongest possible terms. So why do you suppose skeptics don't ever present the whole picture here?
 
Rodney said:
Ultimately, but in September 1939 that was Cayce's one-word response to the question about Hitler's future, which represented the final step in Cayce's evolution of thought regarding Hitler.
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Um, I still don't see anything impressive about this. Death would be the final step for anyone.
By March 1938 -- still a year and half before WWII began -- Cayce condemned Nazi Germany in the strongest possible terms. So why do you suppose skeptics don't ever present the whole picture here?
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It appears the me that the "whole picture" is not any different than what many people thought at the time. It doesn't take paranormal abilities to condemn Nazis.
 
It was all backed up because I suppose the information has all been biased in his favor. IE that episode of UM.
My dad also appearntly once used one his cures on a friend and swears it worked, could of been one of his lucky guess cures, I don't know. It had something to do with a chemical put in the eye.
 
Rodney said:
Ultimately, but in September 1939 that was Cayce's one-word response to the question about Hitler's future, which represented the final step in Cayce's evolution of thought regarding Hitler. By March 1938 -- still a year and half before WWII began -- Cayce condemned Nazi Germany in the strongest possible terms. So why do you suppose skeptics don't ever present the whole picture here?
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And he was the only person at that time to condemn Nazi Germany? Oh, yeah right.

Still no reason to be at all impressed by him. The whole picture is still extraordinarily mundane.
 
I was just reading "Flim-Flam!" last night and read the section on Cayce. He goofed up the Lindbergh kidnapping in grand style, his followers have fudged the data on his healings, the fact that many diseases self-terminate and the bizarre concoctions he prescribed. Good stuff!
 
Rodney said:
Further, as I've pointed out previously on other threads, Cayce's forte was not prophecy, but medical healings, such as that of the cure of Aime Dietrich, whose case was pronounced hopeless by the orthodox medicine of the time. This is also summarized in the Wikipedia article. Now, if someone could debunk that case or one of the numerous other cases where Cayce's treatments resulted in cures, I would be impressed. But, up to this point, that hasn't happened.
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Granted that everybody Cayce treated firsthand is likely dead,* it's a little hard to prove or disprove the cures either way at this point. For example, can you prove that Aime Dietrich was cured by Cayce's treatment, and no other factor? And if so, what evidence are you using to prove it?

The burden of proof, as always, is on the person making the miraculous claim.




Also, ramps!


*If there are any current survivors, I'd be happy to hear about them.
 
Rodney said:
Ultimately, but in September 1939 that was Cayce's one-word response to the question about Hitler's future, which represented the final step in Cayce's evolution of thought regarding Hitler. By March 1938 -- still a year and half before WWII began -- Cayce condemned Nazi Germany in the strongest possible terms. So why do you suppose skeptics don't ever present the whole picture here?
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Alrighty... let's look at the big picture.

Cayce was a "prophet" who needed to tweak his divine revelations as it became clear that they were going to be contradicted by the reality of current events. Wow. Impressive.

Too bad he's not around today to see his armageddon prophecies coming up blank... he'd be tweaking like a crack fiend. He'd probably have a shot to win the Tour de France with his backpedaling.

As far as his amazing "medical cures"... like I said before... show me one example of a Cayce treatment that has stood the test of time and science, and been accepted as a modern medical standard of care, and maybe I'll change my opinion that the guy was nothing more than quack with a nifty psychic gimmick.
 
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It's not ALL bunk

First off, (as you can see) I'm new to this forum. I came across it while Googling "Mannatech" as I know someone being scammed and I'm compiling evidence.

For the past 20 years I've worked in the medical field. For 8 of those years I worked for one of the top rheumatologists in the world. He was not only my employer, but eventually became my treating physician when I was diagnosed with crippling arthritis (psoriatic arthritis mutilans, which as the name implies has a psoriatic component).

I'm the curious type who reads just about everything I can get my hands on. I found a copy of Cayce's book at the used bookstore so picked it up.

When I read to my physician/employer (who is incredibly educated and accomplished; he had a 41-page CV then which is no doubt even longer now) the section on the origins of psoriasis from Cayce's book, you should have seen his face! He was completely floored, and immediately asked me where I had gotten that information. (Dr. N is a big a skeptic as you would ever meet.) After I told him he said nothing.

Later I learned about the underlying cause of psoriasis, a gut disorder known as LGS (leaky gut syndrome). LGS can manifest as all kinds of problems, not just psoriasis/psoriatic arthritis. So... the bottom line is, psoriasis does indeed begin in the gut. So in that respect, at least, Cayce was not wrong. (One can Google LGS and read the works of Walt Stoll, M.D., Leo Gallaland, M.D. etc.)

Since I haven't read the entire book I can't comment on his other "treatments" or descriptions of maladies, only the psoriasis.
 
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