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Are the Gospels Antisemitic?

I thought that it was obvious to everybody that we use the term antisemitic when talking about the Gospels for facility. The correct term is anti-judaic.

Leave the owls alone and don't bring them in Athens...
 
Couple of questions.

What text should be used for the textual criticism?

Shouldn't this be expanded beyond just the Gospels?
 
Darat said:
Couple of questions.

What text should be used for the textual criticism?

Shouldn't this be expanded beyond just the Gospels?
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This is where we disagree right now. ceo_esq thinks that we should not, I believe the contrary but since I don't like "legalities" --that's why I didn't become a ceo-- I will proceed with posting the passages that I believe that they are questionable.
 
Cleopatra said:
I thought that it was obvious to everybody that we use the term antisemitic when talking about the Gospels for facility. The correct term is anti-judaic.
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Respectfully, why would (or should) that be the case?
 
Cleopatra said:
This is where we disagree right now. ceo_esq thinks that we should not, I believe the contrary ...
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There is also the question of noncanonical texts such as the Gospel of Peter. In fact, any discussion of scope would almost necessarily touch upon the synoptic problem.

( See, for example, the Lukan perspective. )
 
ReasonableDoubt said:
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There is also the question of noncanonical texts such as the Gospel of Peter. In fact, any discussion of scope would almost necessarily touch upon the synoptic problem.

( See, for example, the Lukan perspective. )
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Thank you for the link and hung around for the discussion.

This is what I plan to do:

Right now I am chosing the passages I understand as antisemitic. I am not a scholar meaning I haven't studied the Gospels. I know them almost by heart though because when I was a teenager I found them radical and inspiring texts. I will attempt to show how a common person who reads the Gospels and doesn't know much of the problems they pose can perceive the writings. Since this is how ceo_esq wishes to have this discussion I will give it a try that way. :)
 
I find it harder to concentrate on this thread given Cleo's current outfit.

I could make another pun on that adverb, but we'll keep this discussion family-friendly... ;)
 
"Are the Gospels Antisemitic?"

Short answer: Does it matter?

Longer answer: Given that all religions are made up fantasy stories to cuddle the masses, what relevance does it have whether one fantasy is objectionable to another?
 
DanishDynamite said:
"Are the Gospels Antisemitic?"

Short answer: Does it matter?

Longer answer: Given that all religions are made up fantasy stories to cuddle the masses, what relevance does it have whether one fantasy is objectionable to another?
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I think it's still a valid question. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a made-up fantasy story, but arguably its anti-Semitism has turned out to matter in the real world.
 
I refuse to reply to your question Danish Dynamite. If I replied I would insult the memories of the millions of Jews that died in the name of the God of the Christians.


This fact might not matter to you but it matters to me.
End of the discussion with you in this thread.
 
ceo_esq said:
I think it's still a valid question. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a made-up fantasy story, but arguably its anti-Semitism has turned out to matter in the real world.
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Yes, in the sense that made up fantasies when believed by some humans can matter in regard to how they act, it matters. That is afterall one of the reasons for JREF. However, in regard to expanding the horizon of knowledge about the actual Universe we live in and why it works the way science discovers, it is of no relevance at all.
 
Cleopatra:
I refuse to reply to your question Danish Dynamite. If I replied I would insult the memories of the millions of Jews that died in the name of the God of the Christians.
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Could you explain this?
This fact might not matter to you but it matters to me.
End of the discussion with you in this thread.
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Oh alright, I'll replace the keyboard. Just send me an amount and an account number. :)
 
Cleopatra said:
I refuse to reply to your question Danish Dynamite. If I replied I would insult the memories of the millions of Jews that died in the name of the God of the Christians. This fact might not matter to you but it matters to me. End of the discussion with you in this thread.
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! Well Said !
 
ReasonableDoubt said:

! Well Said !
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As my better half has refused to comment further on her comment to her better half, i.e. me, could you explain what she meant by her "memories of millions" comment? Thanks.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Yes, in the sense that made up fantasies when believed by some humans can matter in regard to how they act, it matters. That is afterall one of the reasons for JREF. However, in regard to expanding the horizon of knowledge about the actual Universe we live in and why it works the way science discovers, it is of no relevance at all.
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One could be forgiven for inferring from this observation that you hold the liberal arts in low esteem (which I suspect is not really true). Beings capable of abstract thought don't really inhabit a universe where expanding the horizon of knowledge is limited to discovering why things work the way science discovers. We're not engaged in a scientific endeavor here; that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
 
ceo_esq said:
One could be forgiven for inferring from this observation that you hold the liberal arts in low esteem (which I suspect is not really true).
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Yes and no.

I hold the the sciences which uncover how our Universe works in very high esteem. However, I appreciate all new knowledge. Still, knowledge regarding the reasons why one fantasy storybook might be seen to be contrary to another, while knowledge, is at the extreme low end of the scale. Very extreme low end, in fact.
Beings capable of abstract thought don't really inhabit a universe where expanding the horizon of knowledge is limited to discovering why things work the way science discovers. We're not engaged in a scientific endeavor here; that doesn't mean it doesn't matter.
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I suppose it matters, in some sense. Still, I personally wouldn't allocate any resources to this investigation, just as I wouldn't allocate resources to discover why Hans Christian Anndersen didn't write stories about purple dinosaurs.
 
Don't lose your time with my friend Danish Dynamite , Reasonable Doubt.

He has read everything in this and other threads.
 
Cleopatra said:
Don't lose your time with my friend Danish Dynamite , Reasonable Doubt.

He has read everything in this and other threads.
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Cleo, my love! Once again, we are united. Did you miss me as much as I missed you?;)

BTW, I would love to say I had read the thread you posted, but alas, this would not be the truth. Does the thread in question explain why the Gospel part of the fantasy book "the Bible" is of relevance?
 
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