Are Rape "Victims" Immune to Skepticism

TragicMonkey said:
Uh......I'm speechless. And utterly, utterly grateful for my Y chromosome.
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Why? Unless you're gay or don't get any, in which case you should be grateful for that. I have trillions of the damn things, one in most cells, and more than one in a lot of them. But I also have the curse of heterosexuality, which has caused problems more than once, menstruation the least of them.
 
Tanja said:
Do you think many people are sent away for rapes they did not commit? As far as I know, one's guilt needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. Only then is the person "sent away"
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When they started doing DNA tests, it was found that about 1/3 of the convicted were cleared. This is in cases where there was physical evidence, which have got to be on the strong end of cases. I remember NOW in the early 1990s objecting to DNA testing on the grounds of, well, you know.

Note that DNA evidence is extremely good at clearing people, much better than it is at convicting people. Because, if you get a DNA match, there's a more than 1% chance that your perp has an identical twin, and there's always a possiblity of contamination. The absence of a marker, though, is pretty telling.

[edited to add] Oh, since you'll probably demand links, here's a fun one: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=17&did=293 I'm sure it will make you feel all skooshy inside about the justice system. Others are available from Google.
 
I am not saying that the justice system is perfect. But I think it is outrageous to claim that the fact that some people were falsely accused or even convicted of rape casts a doubt on all rape cases.

Would you say that because there are people who have been wrongly convicted of assault, it casts doubt on all cases where those bitches and bastards report assault? Or that because there are people who falsely report harassement by neighbours, we should call those who report harassment bitches and that it somehow implies that all or most similar cases are false? I somehow doubt you would say that.

As I said, I work with victims of crime, so maybe it is easier for me to see the crime from the victims shoes.

Edited to add: and I am very glad that now we have DNA analysis and other techniques that can help identify criminals and clear the innocent ones.
 
Whoracle said:
Women who falsely accuse men of rape are not women, they are bitches who belong in jail themselves. If it makes you feel better since you've obviously given up your balls, I'd feel the same way about men. Anyway I'm not saying it's a huge problem, but if you're denying it happens at all you are simply a fool. I'm not saying it's very common, but it happens, and the fact that it does happen casts doubt on the women making legitimate charges.
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Gee, my testicles are just fine, thanks for asking. I don't use them as an excuse either, unlike many men.

I am not saying that false charges are never made, I asked what do you base it upon?\
Are you afraid or something? Why do you defend this belief so vehemently?

Cultural belief?
Anecdote?
Personal experience?

What I said originaly hold true, if we are equaly sceptical of the defendant and the accuser then things are equal.
 
epepke said:
When they started doing DNA tests, it was found that about 1/3 of the convicted were cleared. This is in cases where there was physical evidence, which have got to be on the strong end of cases.
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Yeah, it is kind of scary, but not just in rape, in all criminal cases that involve eyewitness identification. The justice project at Northwestern found that eyewitness accounts are very poor. And they found that the police showing pictures of suspects was a great way to cause that person to be later picked out in a line up.

I thought that usualy , anymore, rape convictions were based upon the forensic material found at the medical exam. Which is no real thrill in and of itself. My sister agency sends out medical advocates to be support to women undergoing the 'rape kit', they alos have to take them clothing since the police keep it all as evidence.

I understand that many people are concerned about false charges but why does it only come up in rape cases?
 
Tanja said:
I am not saying that the justice system is perfect. But I think it is outrageous to claim that the fact that some people were falsely accused or even convicted of rape casts a doubt on all rape cases.

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Im not castring doubt on all raope cases. Im focusing on these high profile cases where there is the possibilty of false alligations because of the money involved. Then you mix that with the medias love of celebrities on trial. Its a good set up to shake people down.
 
In the Kobe case, I wonder if anyone here took exception to the sexual activity of the accused 3 days surrounding the alledged rape being allowed as evidence?

(I would have been outraged had the judge ruled otherwise.)
 
varwoche said:
In the Kobe case, I wonder if anyone here took exception to the sexual activity of the accused 3 days surrounding the alledged rape being allowed as evidence?

(I would have been outraged had the judge ruled otherwise.)
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Im not against rape shield laws. They are meant to prevent the defense from paint the victim as some whore. But in teh Kobe case i think her activity is relevent cause it ties directly into the phyisical evidence being used to prove guilt.
 
Tmy said:
Im not castring doubt on all raope cases. Im focusing on these high profile cases where there is the possibilty of false alligations because of the money involved. Then you mix that with the medias love of celebrities on trial. Its a good set up to shake people down.
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That would seem to imply that you can't accuse people with money of commiting a crime because you are only accusing them because they have money. The sad thing is that people say the same thing in rape cases all the time where money is not involved.(Except for the bit about the money.)

In terms of discovery and repressed evidence, what is the history of Kobe being accused of sexual assault, say in high school and college?
 
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