Arafat was assassinated!!!

[Mycroft]

False analogy. Taking the US as an example, the guy isn´t in prison. He´s sitting on top of a throne made of indian bones and taste´s the wine served by black slaves.

So your question should read: "If a mafia don with lots of money and every luxury imaginable told you crime wasn´t worth ist, would you listen?"

You're right.

Suppose your dad were a mafia don. One day he comes to you and says, "Son, you don't want the life I've had. It's better to make your money honestly. I want you to go to college."

Do you not listen?

 

[Orwell]

You're right.

Suppose your dad were a mafia don. One day he comes to you and says, "Son, you don't want the life I've had. It's better to make your money honestly. I want you to go to college."

Do you not listen?

I would listen. But how do you think I (or anyone else in the same situation) would react if my "mafia don dad" (who, by the way, has asked a couple of his friends to beaten me up on occasion "to teach me a lesson") started to give me sermons on honesty and non-violence, and telling me that he won't let me have the keys to car if I don't clean up my act?

 

[003998]

You're right.

Suppose your dad were a mafia don. One day he comes to you and says, "Son, you don't want the life I've had. It's better to make your money honestly. I want you to go to college."

Do you not listen?

An entirely new question. I´d say it very much depends on our mutual relationship. Even if I accepted his input, I would be tempted to call it hypocritical to have his "dirty money" pay for my college education.
Anyways, how does this relate to the question?

I´m not eager to join in one of the endless Israel-Palestine debates that will do nothing but anger both sides. Neither do I have the histrorical knowledge nor the English skills to do so.
I simply found your argument to be faulty and tried to indicate this.

 

[Mycroft]

An entirely new question. I´d say it very much depends on our mutual relationship. Even if I accepted his input, I would be tempted to call it hypocritical to have his "dirty money" pay for my college education.

Which is a tu quoque argument. Which means it's a logical fallacy to claim that your father's experience as a mafia don disqualifies him from offering an opinion on a life of crime, but it's perfectly valid if you want to prove your father is a hypocrite.

 

[The idea]

Gunmen in Gaza shot dead former Palestinian security chief and local strongman Moussa Arafat [...]

Let's give the gunmen a chance to tell their side of the story. Perhaps it was a case of mistaken identity. They might have thought that they were shooting Hugo Chavez.

 

[zenith-nadir]

link

The only question that can be answered now is who gains the most from the assassination. And the answer is Palestinian Minister for Civilian Affairs Mohammed Dahlan, the patron of the Preventative Security apparatus, and its head, Rashid Abu-Shabak, who for the past two years have been waging a sophisticated war to the death against Moussa Arafat and his late patron, Yasser Arafat.

The "death squads" of Preventative Security official Nabil Tamus and other mercenaries in the Gaza Strip have clashed consistently over the past two years with the "hell squads" of Moussa Arafat's son, who was abducted Wednesday when his father was killed. At least three previous attempts have been made on Moussa Arafat's life, and the sides have been involved in numerous confrontations and street battles in the Strip during this time.

 

[a_unique_person]

It really twisted a_u_p because the Popular Resistance Committees - who assasinated scumball Moussa Arafat today - is made up of former members of Abbas' own Fatah movement. Now they are assasinating members of Abbas' own Fatah movement.

Abbas has been in power almost a year now and the militant groups still remain, free to carry their arms and assasinate whomever they wish - that is between attacks upon Israel. Sadly it's the same old same old, none of which has to do with zionists, zionism or settlements.

That's right, it only took a year to round up the Mafia and put them all in prison.

 

[Mycroft]

That's right, it only took a year to round up the Mafia and put them all in prison.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, but you gotta take that step. You can't excuse their lack of success forever on the grounds that it's probably hard and will take a long time when the real issue is they haven't started yet.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by zenith-nadir

Originally posted by a_unique_person
I thought the PA was trying to fight off this attack? Apparently, Hamas hated him for cracking down on them in the past.

It really twisted a_u_p because the Popular Resistance Committees - who assasinated scumball Moussa Arafat today - is made up of former members of Abbas' own Fatah movement. Now they are assasinating members of Abbas' own Fatah movement.

You realize he's probably confused this incident with the Muslims attacking the Christians thread. That's the attack the PA tried to fight off.

 

[The Fool]

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, but you gotta take that step. You can't excuse their lack of success forever on the grounds that it's probably hard and will take a long time when the real issue is they haven't started yet.

Would you consider gunfights with Hamas in the streets a start? Do you consider the restrictions on the PA is a help or a Hindrance in thier efforts to control Hamas?

 

[Luke T.]

Re: Re: Arafat was assassinated!!!

Good idea. Oh look - here's one with vacancies.

Now that was funny!

 

[CFLarsen]

Mycroft,

Do you have any comments re. the nationality of the assassins?

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft,

Do you have any comments re. the nationality of the assassins?

I think that perhaps you should start the ball rolling on this topic since you're the one who's focused on this issue as being significant.

Don't you agree?

 

[Mycroft]

Would you consider gunfights with Hamas in the streets a start? Do you consider the restrictions on the PA is a help or a Hindrance in thier efforts to control Hamas?

You seem to attach a lot of significance to one report of a gun battle between PA forces and Hamas. Personally, I think the meaning of that one gun battle is subject to interpretation, with it being the beginnings of a larger campaign to reign in Hamas only likely if there are more such gun battles. Since there have been none, I think another interpretation is more likely.

 

[The Fool]

You seem to attach a lot of significance to one report of a gun battle between PA forces and Hamas. Personally, I think the meaning of that one gun battle is subject to interpretation, with it being the beginnings of a larger campaign to reign in Hamas only likely if there are more such gun battles. Since there have been none, I think another interpretation is more likely.

You think PA and Hamas have only had one gunfight?...you may want to do a little research before considering sticking to that claim.

You said they have not started, that is a demonstrably wrong statement....I have no doubt they don't do enough to satisfy you but why should that be a licence to claim they do nothing?

and you are right...there have been no gunfights since the last gunfight and no mondays since last monday.....

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by The Fool
You think PA and Hamas have only had one gunfight?...you may want to do a little research before considering sticking to that claim.

I have only seen one report from prior to the Gaza withdrawal. If you are aware of more, you are welcome to present evidence.

Originally posted by The Fool
You said they have not started, that is a demonstrably wrong statement....I have no doubt they don't do enough to satisfy you but why should that be a licence to claim they do nothing?

If it's demonstratably wrong, I look forward to you demonstrating it's wrong.

Originally posted by The Fool
and you are right...there have been no gunfights since the last gunfight and no mondays since last monday.....

I think it's your sarcasm in place of argument that sets a negative tone for the Politics forum that contrubutes to the number of complaints it generates. I'm not saying you're the only problem, but you're certainly a part of the problem.

 

[CFLarsen]

I think that perhaps you should start the ball rolling on this topic since you're the one who's focused on this issue as being significant.

Don't you agree?

Huh??

You are the one opening this thread with the suggestion that the Palestines get a state, to prevent all this killing.

But you think it is completely irrelevant that it Arafat was murdered by his own people?

 

[webfusion]

Arafat died of AIDS

Now Mycroft, you suckered me in with the topic headline, I thought you were going to offer proof of YASSER having been assassinated!

So, in the interests of fairness and keeping things straight, here is today's article from the Israeli press (Haaretz) about the fate of Yasser Arafat:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/622564.html

"An analysis of the confidential medical report on Yasser Arafat's death reveals three main possibilities as to the cause: poisoning, AIDS or an infection."
Most senior Palestinian officials, including Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub, have said in interviews that they are convinced Arafat was poisoned by Israel.

• After Arafat died on November 11, 2004 at a military hospital in Paris, copies of the pathology report compiled by the hospital staff - and kept under wraps until now - were handed over to Arafat's widow, Suha, and senior Palestinian Authority officials. The report's findings are now being published for the first time in the revised edition of "The Seventh War" by journalists Amos Harel and Avi Isacharoff, to be released next week by Yedioth Ahronoth in Hebrew.

Now, the thread can return to its' regularly-scheduled bickering and cat-fighting.
(BTW, the fool will have a tough time showing a record of the continuing clashes and 'gunbattles' between HAMAS and the PA forces --- because there aren't any. HAMAS and Islamic Jihad continue to display their armed strength at public rallies and marches in Gaza daily. The "PA Police" is hesitant to even intervene against unarmed crowds of youths who are trying to face-off against the IDF at the evacuated settlements.)
Israel issued a stern warning to the Palestinian Authority on Tuesday evening, demanding that it live up to its commitment to prevent marches by Palestinians towards Gush Katif (against Israel Defense Forces still in the area).

The warning comes hours after IDF soldiers opened fire at Palestinians marching toward their position at an evacuated Gaza settlement at sundown Tuesday, killing one and wounding two others, Palestinian rescue workers said. -- from Israeli press reports.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
Huh??

You are the one opening this thread with the suggestion that the Palestines get a state, to prevent all this killing.

You must have missed
this post.

Originally posted by CFLarsen
But you think it is completely irrelevant that it Arafat was murdered by his own people?

I've already said a couple times that I don't see the significance you do. Why don't you explain it?

Edited to add: I'm sure Arafat was not murdered by his "own people" but by a rival faction.

 

[CFLarsen]

You must have missed
this post.

Read what I said: I said your opening post. That you retract it later is not my problem.

I've already said a couple times that I don't see the significance you do. Why don't you explain it?

I'm not the one who needs to explain things here. It's your thread. What is your point with it?