Arafat was assassinated!!!

[Mycroft]

No, not Yasser. His cousin Moussa.

Link.

Gaza gunmen kill ex-security chief Arafat -police

GAZA (Reuters) - Gunmen in Gaza shot dead former Palestinian security chief and local strongman Moussa Arafat, a cousin to late leader Yasser Arafat, after storming his home on Wednesday, police and medics said.

The killing of Arafat, who remained an adviser to President Mahmoud Abbas, came as another sign of the factional turmoil in the territory, from which Israeli troops are due to withdraw this month following the evacuation of settlers.

I got an idea! Let's give them a state!

 

[Orwell]

I got an idea! Let's give them a state!

Again with that?

 

[Leif Roar]

I got an idea! Let's give them a state!

Well, why not? I mean, the US managed to lose not one but two Kennedys, and India three Gandhis, and they didn't lose their right to statehood.

 

[Mycroft]

Again with that?

You can focus on that if you want, but there is no denying this guy was assassinated.

 

[Leif Roar]

You can focus on that if you want, but there is no denying this guy was assassinated.

There's also no denying that your line about giving them a state is a complete non sequitor.

Praeterea censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

 

[The Fool]

You can focus on that if you want, but there is no denying this guy was assassinated.

Have you any interest in these issues beyond trolling with childish mantras?

good luck with the rest of your wednesday negative palestinian thread...this one, at least, does not contain an enormous strawman like tuesdays....I just can't wait for thursdays....

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Re: Arafat was assassinated!!!

Well, why not? I mean, the US managed to lose not one but two Kennedys, and India three Gandhis, and they didn't lose their right to statehood.

Do you think the US should adopt a policy of using assassination to influence foreign governments?

 

[Orwell]

Re: Re: Re: Arafat was assassinated!!!

Do you think the US should adopt a policy of using assassination to influence foreign governments?

This sounds like a non sequitur to me... Better explain yourself.

And the troll comment was made because it is at least the second time you use that same "lets give them a state" phrase to start a thread. You obviously want to raise some hackles.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Arafat was assassinated!!!

This sounds like a non sequitur to me... Better explain yourself.

And the troll comment was made because it is at least the second time you use that same "lets give them a state" phrase to start a thread. You obviously want to raise some hackles.

You're right, it was very trollish. The Fool made such an issue of it the first time, I thought it would be funny to say it again.

I withdraw it.

So, what do you think of the assassination?

 

[Orwell]

Well, I'm against it!

But now seriously... Considering the very brutal history of most western countries, I think we don't have the moral high-ground necessary to go around judging someone else's violent behaviour to decide who deserves to have a nation or not...

 

[Mycroft]

Well, I'm against it!

But now seriously... Considering the very brutal history of most western countries, I think we don't have the moral high-ground necessary to go around judging someone else's violent behaviour to decide who deserves to have a nation or not...

I'm not saying the assassination should have anything to do with their having a nation or not. One could argue that it even helps, as it aids Abbas consolidate his power.

And why would a brutal history disqualify one from judging brutality? If a guy in prison told you crime wasn't worth it, wouldn't you listen?

 

[003998]

And why would a brutal history disqualify one from judging brutality? If a guy in prison told you crime wasn't worth it, wouldn't you listen?

False analogy. Taking the US as an example, the guy isn´t in prison. He´s sitting on top of a throne made of indian bones and taste´s the wine served by black slaves.

So your question should read: "If a mafia don with lots of money and every luxury imaginable told you crime wasn´t worth ist, would you listen?"

 

[CFLarsen]

You can focus on that if you want, but there is no denying this guy was assassinated.

...by Palestinians, yes:

The cousin of the late leader Yasser Arafat is the most senior figure to be killed in internal violence that has gripped the Palestinian territories.

The attack has been claimed by a militant splinter group, the Popular Resistance Committees.
Source

So, they kill each other, and so, in your tortured logic, they deserve a state?

Do you think the US should adopt a policy of using assassination to influence foreign governments?

That wasn't the case here.

I'm not saying the assassination should have anything to do with their having a nation or not.

So, why did you say it would be a good idea to give them a nation? Total non-sequitur?

 

[Zep]

I got an idea! Let's give them a state!

Good idea. Oh look - here's one with vacancies.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Moussa Arafat was a total scumball who pocketed many millions from the billions Arafat stole from the international aid funds. He had many assassinated and torchered and survived a previous "explosion in his office" & a "car bomb" given to him by his adoring fans.

This is just another example of the lack of authority the Palestinian Authority really has. The PA created these monsters to destroy Israel and now they threaten the PA itself. Sadly Abbas refuses to confront and disarm these militant groups so they have free rein to attack anyone. Today it was slimeball Moussa Arafat's turn:

Moussa Arafat, 65, was killed after a 30-minute gunbattle between the assailants and dozens of Arafat's bodyguards. The fighting with rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles raged just a block from the headquarters of the Palestinian Preventive Security Service. Arafat's oldest son, Manhal, was kidnapped by the gunmen.

About 100 masked gunmen stormed the heavily guarded home of Gaza's former security chief before dawn Wednesday, dragged him out in his pajamas and killed him in the street in a burst of gunfire - a brazen challenge to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas just days before Israel was to hand Gaza to Palestinian rule.

The Popular Resistance Committees, a violent group made up largely of former members of Abbas' Fatah movement, later claimed responsibility. The group said it killed Arafat, a cousin of the late Yasser Arafat, to punish him for alleged corruption after the Palestinian security forces had taken no action against him. "We have implemented God's law," a spokesman, Mohammed Abdel Al, told The Associated Press. link

I believe if the PA cannot control it's own people and allows paramilitary organizations to administer law & order then it is truely unfit to rule a state.

 

[a_unique_person]

So all America's criminals are in Jail. The Mafia will be sad to hear that.

 

[zenith-nadir]

So all America's criminals are in Jail. The Mafia will be sad to hear that.

In America they have police who arrest mobsters and courts which convict mobsters for their crimes. In Gaza and the West Bank you have none of that, instead the "mobsters" are free to parade with their weapons and free to drag people out of their homes and assasinate them on the street. The difference is obvious.

Abbas will "promise" to find out who's responsible and then do nothing just like we've heard Arafat "promise" a million times before. Example:

U.S. CONVOY IN GAZA BOMBED; THREE AMERICANS KILLED - October 15, 2003, 12:40p.m EDT

The bomb detonated around 10:15 a.m. local time as the convoy, escorted by Palestinian police, headed south on the main road just after entering the Gaza Strip.

After the convoy's first two cars -- including the police escort -- drove by, the bomb detonated as the third car passed, witness Mohammed Radwan told the Associated Press.

The U.S. State Department said the three dead were security personnel accompanying Tel Aviv-based U.S. diplomats on their way to interviews with Palestinian Fulbright scholarship candidates.

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat called the attack an "awful crime" and said he ordered an investigation.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei also denounced the bombing and pledged to find those responsible.

Well a_u_p, "promises" by the PA are a dime a dozen. No one has ever been investigated and no one has ever been thrown in jail for bombing a convoy to interview Palestinian Fulbright scholarship candidates. In fact the same militant groups are now dragging Palestinians out of their homes today and killing them two years later after promise after promise after promise.

 

[a_unique_person]

In America they have police who arrest mobsters and courts which convict mobsters for their crimes. In Gaza and the West Bank you have none of that, instead the "mobsters" are free to parade with their weapons and free to drag people out of their homes and assasinate them on the street. The difference is obvious.

I thought the PA was trying to fight off this attack? Apparently, Hamas hated him for cracking down on them in the past.

 

[Manny]

Completely off topic and I definitely don't want an Israel-Palestine debate today but I have to pop in to mention that the traditional Mafia is gone from most of the United States. Their leaders are dead, dying or incarcerated, their foot soldiers reduced to street thugs, their organizations largely smashed. Oh, sure, they're probably still an influence in scattered places like suburban Cleveland, but they are mostly smashed. If the PA could (or would) do to Hamas what US law enforcement did to the Mafia I think the reviews would be pretty good. So please choose another point of comparison. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

[zenith-nadir]

I thought the PA was trying to fight off this attack? Apparently, Hamas hated him for cracking down on them in the past.

It really twisted a_u_p because the Popular Resistance Committees - who assasinated scumball Moussa Arafat today - is made up of former members of Abbas' own Fatah movement. Now they are assasinating members of Abbas' own Fatah movement.

Abbas has been in power almost a year now and the militant groups still remain, free to carry their arms and assasinate whomever they wish - that is between attacks upon Israel. Sadly it's the same old same old, none of which has to do with zionists, zionism or settlements.