Ed Applying luma curve to photos and footage

[Thermal]

Source. Public FBI files.
As you will find. There is an investigation into why there was a high rate of cancellation and no-show percentage on the hijack flights. Lets examine it. Lets examine who cancelled or no showed.

"Public FBI Files" is not a citation. That's a vague handwave in the direction of the FBI.

Your screenshots are incomplete and semi-random. You are not discussing anything with a screenshot. Please copy the address where you find your information, and paste it at the bottom. The forum software will turn it into a link. Screenshots are considered dead zero.

Discussion means using words. The people who canceled their flights all had their reasons, as we all do. Some days will be higher cancellations than others, and that doesn't really mean anything, unless you can demonstrate that there is some reason to assume they had last minute Intel? Were they low level Al-Quaeda operatives getting the message late, so planning to fly but then realizing their group had been planning to hijack those flights all along? Atta and his boys all bought their tickets and commited to that particular flight already.

 

[nt1]

"Public FBI Files" is not a citation. That's a vague handwave in the direction of the FBI.

Your screenshots are incomplete and semi-random. You are not discussing anything with a screenshot. Please copy the address where you find your information, and paste it at the bottom. The forum software will turn it into a link. Screenshots are considered dead zero.

Discussion means using words. The people who canceled their flights all had their reasons, as we all do. Some days will be higher cancellations than others, and that doesn't really mean anything, unless you can demonstrate that there is some reason to assume they had last minute Intel? Were they low level Al-Quaeda operatives getting the message late, so planning to fly but then realizing their group had been planning to hijack those flights all along? Atta and his boys all bought their tickets and commited to that particular flight already.

I understand. They are on .gov public websites. Anyone passing the level judgement recieved here needs to be able to know how to find some documents.

Would you like me to bring you the pdf?

 

[grunion]

I think most posters are assuming what the OPs theories and conclusions are based on years of seeing truthers come and go here. But unless I missed it, has OP succinctly stated a claim? Or “just asking questions?” If there is a claim somewhere that might help to enrich our understanding of what happened on 9/11 I would appreciate a recap (in OPs own words, not screenshots.)

 

[Pixel42]

There is an investigation into why there was a high rate of cancellation and no-show percentage on the hijack flights.

What is the typical rate of cancellation and no-shows on such flights, and how precisely was that determined? By how much did the rates on the hijack flights exceed those typical rates?

 

[grunion]

I understand. They are on .gov public websites. Anyone passing the level judgement recieved here needs to be able to know how to find some documents.

Would you like me to bring you the pdf?

If you are making a claim (are you?) it is you who need to present the evidence. If you do post a pdf, please point out the exact part to which you wish to draw our attention, and tell us what you think it is saying in your own words. Thanks.

 

[Thermal]

I understand. They are on .gov public websites.

That means virtually nothing. There are millions of docs on .gov sites. It's not the reader's responsibility to go hunting for them when you literally have them in front of you, and can indicate them with a couple keystrokes. In fact, it is considered evasive on your part to refuse to do so.

Anyone passing the level judgement recieved here needs to be able to know how to find some documents.

Would you like me to bring you the pdf?

No thank you. A link is fine, and it's the way cited information is usually produced on the forum. It's not our job to track down your claims in the wild; it's your responsibility to present them. That's the typical "burden of proof" standard.

But that is entirely secondary. The primary issue is actually discussing. Not throw a bunch of screenshots up and silence.

Seth McFarlane was supposed to be on flight 11. He was hung over and got to the airport late, and missed the flight. Should we be suspicious of him? The other cancellations were for similar reasons, just stuff that changes plans (in 2001 it was way easier to cancel flights and pick up another).

Did the FBI or anyone else find any passengers that canceled and were suspicious, or linked to receiving last minute notice of attack? I don't see that anywhere.

 

[JayUtah]

Anyone passing the level judgement recieved here needs to be able to know how to find some documents.

No, your critics are not being unreasonable in asking you to cite your sources specifically. While people here are quite capable of finding information on their own, no one here is a mind-reader. They can't know where you are getting your information.

 

[JayUtah]

What is the typical rate of cancellation and no-shows on such flights, and how precisely was that determined? By how much did the rates on the hijack flights exceed those typical rates?

Or as we say, "That needs a denominator."

 

[Thermal]

No, your critics are not being unreasonable in asking you to cite your sources specifically. While people here are quite capable of finding information on their own, no one here is a mind-reader. They can't know where you are getting your information.

That's why I'm objecting to screenshots, too. It's a partial pic from who knows where, and we are supposed to scour the internet looking for his source?

 

[Thermal]

Yes, it does. I'm having a heckuva time producing an example of an alpha channel botched to the point where the blending error is invisible in an unadjusted image, but shows up after manipulating luminosity or color data. With a badly-accomplished composition, all you have to do to see it is zoom in on the unadjusted image. I'll keep trying as long as I have time.

Please don't go out of your way, the conceptual answer is all I was hoping for. We all have enough stuff on our plate without additional busy work.

 

[ahhell]

Source. Public FBI files.
As you will find. There is an investigation into why there was a high rate of cancellation and no-show percentage on the hijack flights. Lets examine it. Lets examine who cancelled or no showed.

Is there a site you can link to, something other than photos from somewhere?

 

[ahhell]

I understand. They are on .gov public websites. Anyone passing the level judgement recieved here needs to be able to know how to find some documents.

Would you like me to bring you the pdf?

You understand that, so where did you get the screen shots then? I did a couple of searches and all I can get is sites talking about cancelations of flights after 9/11 not passengers cancelling before hand.

 

[Thermal]

@nt1: on the topic of unusual cancellations on flight 11, you mentioned earlier a 9 member Nat Geo team that appears to be swaying your cancellation numbers towards the high end. Either the team was running long in Boston, or they were not yet needed in California yet. Does that make National Geographic suspicious?

 

[Disbelief]

@nt1: on the topic of unusual cancellations on flight 11, you mentioned earlier a 9 member Nat Geo team that appears to be swaying your cancellation numbers towards the high end. Either the team was running long in Boston, or they were not yet needed in California yet. Does that make National Geographic suspicious?

From what I found, the Nat Geo team had their flight canceled after the crashes, not that they were supposed to be on any of the flights. I really should check on my cousin, he canceled his flight because he did not want to be up that early to fly home to California.

 

[Thermal]

From what I found, the Nat Geo team had their flight canceled after the crashes, not that they were supposed to be on any of the flights. I really should check on my cousin, he canceled his flight because he did not want to be up that early to fly home to California.

I looked around too, and only found the reference that two Nat Geo employees died in Flight 77. One of nt1's random unsourced screenshots showed a partial cancellation list for Flight 11, which indicated a bunch from Nat Geo. I was provisionally taking him at his word on that, in the interests of a good faith discussion, but the hommes needs to step up his citation game.

 

[nt1]

I understand. They are on .gov public websites. Anyone passing the level judgement recieved here needs to be able to know how to find some documents.

Would you like me to bring you the pdf?

Anyone passing judgment of others research on 9/11 that doesnt know these files snd documents, is not operating at a high enough level.

I have 97 tabs open besides this one. I will provide them to you in no order or in any context. They will still be of educational and investigational importance.

https://catalog.archives.gov/search-within/564?page=3&q=9%2F11%2F2001%20seattle&sort=relevant

9/11 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Finding Aid - Boxes 12-23

Boxes 12-23 (Note: records not linked to the Catalog require a FOIA request for access) Boxes 1 - 11 | Boxes 12 - 23 | Boxes 24 - 35 | Boxes 36 - 47 | Boxes 48 - 59| Boxes 60 - 71 | Boxes 72 - 83 | Boxes 84 - 95 | Boxes 96 - 107 | Boxes 108 - 126 Box # Folder # Record Type Description Digital...

www.archives.gov

That's why I'm objecting to screenshots, too. It's a partial pic from who knows where, and we are supposed to scour the internet looking for his source?

I understand and agree.

My disconnect, which IS my fault. Is i wouldn't accept a link, screenshot, or a claimed deity handing me the evidence, without fact checking it myself.

Had the reception been in anyway not hostile, I would beennexcited and enjoyed going outnof my way to provide direct links and location of any and all information.

My reception has been treated with hostility. Calm. Slow. Sure.... you (the grouo) and I havent worded everything with roses....

This is an attempt at really teyinf roxreaxh someone.

Hostility is not always tone and word choice. Sometimes the hostile words and tone declare an unwillingness to ever change.


That's what im upset about. Not the words, action, or tone. Its the unsaid connotation that I could doceverything but reveal myself and I would still be crucified like Jesus Christ.

I dont subscribe to that stuff. I just used it as a common example. The guy genuinely brings some examples and they nail him to the wall. ((That requeires belief or considering the complete acceptance he did heal, coupled with the supposed words he left behind) Jesus Christ lone words and commands outlined by the red words, which were purposely highlighted as an insult by relating them to no more than manual instructions, are the only example of considering others first, a method to move on when they reject you, the knowledge that nothing seperates humans into two tiers, and... as long as you listen to all this and don't judge yourself superior and I dont judge myself superior and we BOTH stop and look around to see if our time could be better spent helping someone in need.... we would have the only heaven we will ever know. In fact the only life we will ever know. Heaven on earth. Because regardless of your belief in heaven, reincarnation or atheism.... this is all going black. You wont remember or take any of this with you. None of it. One day you will drop dead and nothing will change that or matter. No friends... all the friends. Black. If you own a tv. Turn it on. Stare at a human speaking on it. Click the off button. That is you and I. Off.)


Love you all. 9/11 shouldnt be purposely, structurally, and irganized to be guarded for personal or financial gain the way it is used 24 years later. Its kinda mean and manipulative.

 

[nt1]

I wouldnt trust anything without fact checking it myself.

I just wouldnt yell at a librarian either.

 

[nt1]

From what I found, the Nat Geo team had their flight canceled after the crashes, not that they were supposed to be on any of the flights. I really should check on my cousin, he canceled his flight because he did not want to be up that early to fly home to California.

Sir. That was a list of tickets for flight 11.

 

[Thermal]

Ok...um....Regarding the tone here. Yes, forumites get fired up quickly. They forgive and forget just as quickly. Please don't take it to heart, brah. We don't even know each other well enough to get personal. The tone here often sounds sharper than post authors intend. Kind of a byproduct of not having a living, breathing human being in front of you. Words, in an abstract bubble, sometimes get pounced on without actual malice to their author.

Eta: I don't think anyone is being unfair in expecting you to show your work and sources. Your first link above goes to pages of FAA documents. If you make a factual claim, it *is* considered your responsibility to click those couple of clicks to identify it, not have half the forum going on a hunting expedition.

 

[nt1]

Ok...um....Regarding the tone here. Yes, forumites get fired up quickly. They forgive and forget just as quickly. Please don't take it to heart, brah. We don't even know each other well enough to get personal. The tone here often sounds sharper than post authors intend. Kind of a byproduct of not having a living, breathing human being in front of you. Words, in an abstract bubble, sometimes get pounced on without actual malice to their author.

That was cool. Ok. Agreed.

I enjoy the "prove it" responses. So keep firing away. Ill send proof the sky is blue if someone is genuinely interested. Ill also discuss underground water tables and change my opinion on them ever two hours as info comes in.

So... what im saying is. Thanks