Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

threadworm said:
Because....well...just because, duh!!
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That's basically the reasoning on below video, uploaded by an armchair expert only hours after the landing. His real time commentary of the news is most eloquent:

"This isn't real! They're not above the moon! Because, guess why ... Why is that? ... No one went to the moon! Neil Armstrong, the whole ******* crew, none of them! Period! At all, ever! If you say that you're a liar!"

This goes on for around 8 mins.

 
I took the first frame of the landing gif and did some re-orientation around the location given in the site I linked to above:

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I used the LRO quickmap page as it has better contrast.

I think the crater the little rabbit is heading for is the largest one with the rocks.
 
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Muc said:
That's basically the reasoning on below video, uploaded by an armchair expert only hours after the landing. His real time commentary of the news is most eloquent:

"This isn't real! They're not above the moon! Because, guess why ... Why is that? ... No one went to the moon! Neil Armstrong, the whole ******* crew, none of them! Period! At all, ever! If you say that you're a liar!"

This goes on for around 8 mins.

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Utter, absolute denial. It's disturbing...this person likely votes, drives a car....a bit troubling.
 
threadworm said:
I made this point myself the other day. I was the 'official' photographer at my stepson's wedding a couple of months ago, during which lovely weekend I took more photographs than in the Apollo 11 and 12 EVA's combined.

While I appreciate I was using a digital camera, I think this was slightly compensated for by the fact that there was only one photographer and that photographer was quite drunk by the end of the day.

You take bursts of photographs, you do other stuff, you take bursts of photographs, you do other stuff. It's not difficult.
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The "too many photos" argument is one I've only come across recently, and it immediately makes me think the people putting it forward don't take very many photos of anything. I photograph airshows as a hobby and 500+ photos over the course of a few hours of a flying display is easily achievable, even when I was still using film. Professionals shoot even more.
 
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JayUtah said:
The SESC seal damage wasn't known at the time the crew debrief had been conducted, nor would that have been a topic for the crew debriefing. The first mention in the literature of possible contamination due to in-flight seal failure is in 1973. It has been discussed several times in the engineering literature as we contemplate a return to the Moon and more viable seal types.
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I'm not sure if this has come up at all, but I've just been re-reading Gene Cernan's "Last Man on the Moon" and he mentions handling a moon rock with his bare hands in the LM post EVA. That struck me as odd given the measures taken to avoid sample contamination.
 
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Huttosaurus said:
The "too many photos" argument is one I've only come across recently, and it immediately makes me think the people putting it forward don't take very many photos of anything. I photograph airshows as a hobby and 500+ photos over the course of a few hours of a flying display is easily achievable, even when I was still using film. Professionals shoot even more.
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I suspect it is a hangover from the days of snapshotting, where you had 24 frames in your camera, and eked them out, carefully composing your holiday snaps as the development cost per frame was always in the back of your mind. I know I did, even though I did some of my own development.

IMHO, the prevalence of digital these days has given a false sense to the CT crowd about development of film. I will go further. The astronauts were unconcerned about that cost, and treated their cameras in much the same way as we treat modern digital cameras. Even my kids know to multi shot and discard the bogies. They can do panoramas easily. They can even capture without looking through any viewfinder or screen, shooting from the hip, as it were.

I did not do more than explain the basics, yet they glommed onto it no problem, to the extent that it is a preferred mode of shooting for candid photography, and they get it right with ease.

If a child can do it, I am pretty sure a trained astronaut can do it.

Hoax believers must hate the digital age, it easily proves them wrong.
 
Muc said:
That's basically the reasoning on below video, uploaded by an armchair expert only hours after the landing. His real time commentary of the news is most eloquent:

"This isn't real! They're not above the moon! Because, guess why ... Why is that? ... No one went to the moon! Neil Armstrong, the whole ******* crew, none of them! Period! At all, ever! If you say that you're a liar!"

This goes on for around 8 mins.

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That guy is incredibly disturbed. Notice the whole obsession with numerology and symbolism in the video. You couldn't even hold a reasonable conversation with him. He doesn't even explain -why- he thinks it's fake, he just knows it is and everyone else is a liar. How sad.
 
Huttosaurus said:
I'm not sure if this has come up at all, but I've just been re-reading Gene Cernan's "Last Man on the Moon" and he mentions handling a moon rock with his bare hands in the LM post EVA. That struck me as odd given the measures taken to avoid sample contamination.
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I could be wrong, but I think by Apollo 17 they had stopped worrying too much about that. They certainly weren't concerned about the samples contaminating the astronauts by then given what they'd found in the preceding missions.

Besides. You just would, wouldn't you?

Meanwhile back in lala-land, the deniers are still desperately clinging on to their fantasy world. The Chinese are in on it and use the same fakery techniques as the Americans. Same tinfoil, same lack of stars, same damp topsoil, same dust behaving exactly as it should in a zero atmosphere low gravity environment, oh...wait...no they don't mention that last one...
 
As if to prove my point, here's this prime bit of ignorance:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061890519&postcount=126

If this was light from the Sun...surely the sky would not be jet black? Its never black on Earth when the sun is shining or giving light
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This is in response to Mandelbrot's post who has long used sophistry and walls of text to try and prove that Apollo was a hoax. Mandelbrot himself displays a similar level of ignorance in his own post, failing to do even basic research into the mission's proposed length and objectives and trots out the same BS about the Apollo 11 press conference.

Stupid is as stupid does.

The entire China moon thread at DIF is here in all it's head banging teeth grinding moron-o-matic CT by numbers splendour:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263572
 
Erock said:
I see Jarrah White has had his youtube account terminated. I doubt it is for very long but it serves him right, he's filed 100 or so fraudulent DMCA claims against pro-Apollo members. I recall Astrobrant2 has had this done to him twice and was down for a few months.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkATHUUod4hjv4v-A48mTCw
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Here's a statement from the guy who got JW's account terminated (per Youtube). Not sure this is the best approach. I, and I think most of the people here, believe that the answer to the problems with free speech is generally more free speech.

 
SpitfireIX said:
Here's a statement from the guy who got JW's account terminated (per Youtube). Not sure this is the best approach. I, and I think most of the people here, believe that the answer to the problems with free speech is generally more free speech.



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You are absolutely correct.
 
SUSpilot said:
You are absolutely correct.
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Yep. Sadly, two wrongs don't make a right, but in all fairness, Jarrah White has taken extreme liberties and actually got that guy's account permanently closed. He had some videos up showing JW's deliberate deception and actually saying he was deliberately deceptive, when he was. His account was closed for "harassment" of JW!!

His response was to file the exact same bad DCMA claims as JW had previously done. Youtube is pretty crap when it comes to looking at these claims in even cursory detail.
 
threadworm said:
As if to prove my point, here's this prime bit of ignorance:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061890519&postcount=126



This is in response to Mandelbrot's post who has long used sophistry and walls of text to try and prove that Apollo was a hoax. Mandelbrot himself displays a similar level of ignorance in his own post, failing to do even basic research into the mission's proposed length and objectives and trots out the same BS about the Apollo 11 press conference.

Stupid is as stupid does.

The entire China moon thread at DIF is here in all it's head banging teeth grinding moron-o-matic CT by numbers splendour:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263572
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From the thread:

Originally Posted by thenosferatu View Post
Amazing that anyone would think that someone landing on the moon in 2013 is a hoax....given that you can track the craft all the way in real time in HD on a PC and watch the entire journey.
I will believe only if I hear at least 10 000 of people went to the Earth's orbit and came back healthy and not injured.
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If you say that I would earn 10 milions of something, show me at least a half milion to have any credence.

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And this Moon ship was built where exactly? Where did they build the moon?
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It was built or hollowed-out to be alien base in DRACO system. This planetoid was one of DRACO planets, allegedly.

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And how did they place it in orbit? or is it just hovering? How do they fuel it?
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By antigravitational technology.
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It's real.

Accept it and move on.
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It's hoax.

Accept it and move on.



The moon landing is a hoax but the moon being artificial is totally plausible.
 
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tsig said:
From the thread:



If you say that I would earn 10 milions of something, show me at least a half milion to have any credence.


It was built or hollowed-out to be alien base in DRACO system. This planetoid was one of DRACO planets, allegedly.

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By antigravitational technology.

It's hoax.

Accept it and move on.



The moon landing is a hoax but the moon being artificial is totally plausible.
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And also antigrav technology, apparently.
 
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