Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

[Anders Lindman]

Please answer my question. Do you admit that you erred in initially insinuating those initial images as true color images of the lunar surface?

No, my claim still stands. And the few other pictures I have found from China mission also support my claim. The general trend is that the moon surface is brownish instead of black-and-white, at least at that location.

 

[threadworm]

I think it was in favor of my claim that the Apollo images have black-and-white lunar landscapes with foreground objects in color.

No.

 

[JayUtah]

No, my claim still stands.

Nonsense. You didn't answer why the Moon was simultaneously orange and blue. It was conclusively proven that they are not true color images of the Moon, but instead suffer from well-known and well-understood problems in photographic rendition of color, especially via happenstance chains of compound photography.

If you continue to hold to your original claim, your argument is pure delusion.

The general trend is that the moon surface is brownish instead of black-and-white, at least at that location.

You wrongly believe that all photography will or should depict it as such.

 

[Anders Lindman]

"Chang'e 3 achieved lunar orbit on 6 December 2013[8] and landed on 14 December 2013,[9] becoming the first probe to soft-land on the Moon since Luna 24 in 1976.[10]" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang'e_3

That's several days ago! Where are all the high quality images of the lunar landscape from Chang'e 3?

 

[threadworm]

"Chang'e 3 achieved lunar orbit on 6 December 2013[8] and landed on 14 December 2013,[9] becoming the first probe to soft-land on the Moon since Luna 24 in 1976.[10]" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang'e_3

That's several days ago! Where are all the high quality images of the lunar landscape from Chang'e 3?

Ask China.

 

[Hans]

No, my claim still stands. And the few other pictures I have found from China mission also support my claim. The general trend is that the moon surface is brownish instead of black-and-white, at least at that location.

You don't have a claim why are you stating you do?

 

[JayUtah]

That's several days ago! Where are all the high quality images of the lunar landscape from Chang'e 3?

Why do you assume China will release them freely to the world? As you discovered, the initial photographs were photographed by journalists from the TV screens.

How is China's release schedule and policy related to any hoax claims you may be making?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Ask China.

Or the U.S. government has demanded that China should NOT release the images to the public!

 

[Hans]

Or the U.S. government has demanded that China should NOT release the images to the public!

Or you might be imagining things - what do you think is more probable?

 

[Anders Lindman]

How is China's release schedule and policy related to any hoax claims you may be making?

See my previous post.

 

[JayUtah]

Or the U.S. government has demanded that China should NOT release the images to the public!

Because the U.S. government has that much control over China. Guess again.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Or you might be imagining things - what do you think is more probable?

Why wouldn't the Chinese government release high quality images from their moon program? That would be great PR publicity for them.

 

[JayUtah]

See my previous post.

I did. It's ridiculous.

Also, can you explain why the U.S. has released other photos of a "brown" Moon, if it's so dead-set on allegedly hiding that?

 

[Hans]

See my previous post.

In other words, AL is saying, 'I'm making silly stuff up so don't ask me for specifics'. Just pay attention to me.

lol

 

[JayUtah]

Why wouldn't the Chinese government release high quality images from their moon program? That would be great PR publicity for them.

Are you China? If not, then you don't get tell us all what China ought to do.

Your argument so far is simply that China isn't doing what you think they should do. Explain why your personal expectations matter.

 

[SUSpilot]

Apollo "hoax" discussion Part II

Or, in the olden days, photographing under tungsten light using daylight film.

Then there was the f-stop robbing daylight filter you could use under tungsten lights.

Best part of RAW mode in today's DSLR's is that I can finally get a reasonable color balance under fluorescent lighting. There are so many bulb variants, you'd go crazy trying to get it right, so out came the strobe with the diffuser in the old days.

 

[SUSpilot]

Or the U.S. government has demanded that China should NOT release the images to the public!

Like the Chinese are going to acquiesce to that?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Are you China? If not, then you don't get tell us all what China ought to do.

Your argument so far is simply that China isn't doing what you think they should do. Explain why your personal expectations matter.

We will see. Maybe they will release a whole batch of images later after having gathered and compiled a careful selection.

 

[Hans]

Are you China? If not, then you don't get tell us all what China ought to do.

Your argument so far is simply that China isn't doing what you think they should do. Explain why your personal expectations matter.

Maybe some day the ebil gub'mints of the world will realize that the easiest way to not show images of what they are trying to hide on the Moon would be made much easier if they just didn't go there anymore.....

 

[SUSpilot]

Just to give you an idea how subjective this all can be, back in college when I worked in a camera store, we used a pretty high-end lab for a lot of work. The shop's owner took some pictures of his son's junior league hockey team for the parents. Of course, there wasn't a color reference or gray card in the photo (why would you?), and it was before Kodak had color reference bars on the edges of their negative film.

We noticed that as parents ordered prints off the original negative towards the spring and summer, the kids in the image got more and more tan as the year wore on...