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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion - continuation thread

CORed said:
Switching to the mtric system might have been the only good idea Jimmy Carter had, and he didn't get it done.:D
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Blame Reagan (spit!) who also discontinued the solar energy tax credit and deinstitutionalized (kicked to the curb) veterans and mental patients.
 
threadworm said:
I have had a look at this - a bit, but a lot of the Lunar Orbiter images are too low resolution.

I did find this for Apollo 13's SIV-B impact site, which was imaged by Apollo 12

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS12/54/8094.jpg

I took a screenshot of the LROC image it's in

http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M109420042LE

and had a look for it

[qimg]http://i59.tinypic.com/99dhjs.jpg[/qimg]

Guess what - it isn't there :D
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It never ends does it. Wherever the trail goes, the consistency is always there:D
 
It gets even better - you can see the impact crater in a few Apollo 14 images (eg AS14-69-9650). The LROC image I used before is very overcontrasted, but a look at the quickmap site shows they are identical in every way. So, not only does the Apollo 14 photo show details not seen in Lunar Orbiter views but present in LRO images, it shows something that wasn't there when Apollo 12 photographed the same site.

I can't post links to my image host from work but will do later. If anyone has a better resolution version of the Apollo 12 image that would be really helpful in nailing it!
 
threadworm said:
It gets even better - you can see the impact crater in a few Apollo 14 images (eg AS14-69-9650). The LROC image I used before is very overcontrasted, but a look at the quickmap site shows they are identical in every way. So, not only does the Apollo 14 photo show details not seen in Lunar Orbiter views but present in LRO images, it shows something that wasn't there when Apollo 12 photographed the same site.

I can't post links to my image host from work but will do later. If anyone has a better resolution version of the Apollo 12 image that would be really helpful in nailing it!
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It just goes to prove how clever the aliens are...

They think of everything!

:)
 
As promised:

On the left, the Apollo 12 image from the Apollo Image Atlas increased to a ridiculous dpi, sharpened and level-adjusted. On the right, the LRO view of the same area taken from the Quickmap site, and in the middle the Apollo 14 image.

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I do not understand why the conspiracy theorists think Apollo 11 and on was a hoax, we have had alien technology and aliens here on earth for decades, surely a trip to the moon is a walk in the park?
 
I've started hearing claims that the Orion EFT-1 flight disproves Apollo because surely if NASA had already been to the Moon in the 60s they would already have all the radiation readings/data they need from the earlier missions and therefore (in HB logic) have no need to collect them again.
 
And where does that logic go? In the nineteenth century, doctors believed that bleeding was the only cure for puerperal infection. If no further research was necessary, bleeding would be the treatment of choice for prolonged deliveries to this day.

Were science to operate in the manner that hoax believers conceive, you would receive this message because I had written it by hand on parchment, then instructed my servant/slave to run to your home and deliver it to you. I might even have commanded my servant/slave to remain at your doorstep awaiting your reply.

This seems to be a common failing among "alternate" believers. They believe science proceeds linearly up to the point that they think agrees with their crackpottery, and then simply stops at that point.
 
Graham2001 said:
I've started hearing claims that the Orion EFT-1 flight disproves Apollo because surely if NASA had already been to the Moon in the 60s they would already have all the radiation readings/data they need from the earlier missions and therefore (in HB logic) have no need to collect them again.
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I don't really think they understand the experiment. It is a student experiment to evaluate a new shielding design, using the data NASA does have.

Pretty cool actually; more info here.

http://www.universetoday.com/111518...r-aboard-orion-eft-1-test-flight-in-dec-2014/
 
I agree that's an exceptionally weak argument. The AE-X and AP-X models are quite extensive and have proven themselves useful over decades of use. The A in those models stands for Apollo. It's data acquired prior to and during the Apollo missions. The notion that we don't need to do anymore research into the effects of the magnetosphere on various items we contemplate sending into space is patently absurd and non-scientific.
 
JayUtah said:
I agree that's an exceptionally weak argument. The AE-X and AP-X models are quite extensive and have proven themselves useful over decades of use. The A in those models stands for Apollo. It's data acquired prior to and during the Apollo missions. The notion that we don't need to do anymore research into the effects of the magnetosphere on various items we contemplate sending into space is patently absurd and non-scientific.
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I agree it's a weak reed, but it seems to be the one they are reaching for.

In the August-September 2014 issue of Nexus Magazine there is an article with an incipit as follows:

NASA Documents from the now defunct Constellation Program for a return to the Moon by 2020 reveal startling evidence that the agency is still actually unable to send a manned mission the Moon. It's as if nothing has been learned from the Apollo missions.
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Is There Any Hope For A Moon Base? (Phil Kouts)

Allegedly the article is also available from Aulis, the authors bio describes him as a PhD in Applied physics and then goes on to state he writes under a pseudonym.
 
Graham2001 said:
Is There Any Hope For A Moon Base? (Phil Kouts)
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Clearly not written by anyone with experience in space engineering or engineering development.

Allegedly the article is also available from Aulis
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It is, here http://www.aulis.com/moonbase.htm

...the author's bio describes him as a PhD in Applied physics and then goes on to state he writes under a pseudonym.
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For reasons that make no sense. A PhD writing within his field of expertise should have no problem doing so under the name by which he earned the degree. To allude to the alleged degree but to divorce it from any verifiable name is tantamount to anonymous expertise -- and exactly the kind of shenanigan that establishes Aulis' notoriety along those lines. David Percy and his ilk have based their claims for years largely on unverifiable appeals to anonymous expertise.
 
JayUtah said:
For reasons that make no sense. A PhD writing within his field of expertise should have no problem doing so under the name by which he earned the degree. To allude to the alleged degree but to divorce it from any verifiable name is tantamount to anonymous expertise -- and exactly the kind of shenanigan that establishes Aulis' notoriety along those lines. David Percy and his ilk have based their claims for years largely on unverifiable appeals to anonymous expertise.
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To a conspiracy theorist it makes perfect sense, in their world the 'Authorities' regularly 'disappear' those who expose 'the secret', thus pseudonyms are necessary to protect the whistleblower from retribution.

As for the letters after the name, it's long being established that they impress the lay audience.
 
This rather badly worded Universe Today article coud become Moon Hoaxer fodder:

It’s a well-known fact that Earth’s ozone layer protects us from a great deal of the Sun’s ultra-violet radiation.

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Beyond this barrier lies another – a series of shields formed by a layer of energetic charged particles that are held in place by the Earth’s magnetic field.

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And according to new research from NASA’s Van Allen probes, it now appears that these belts may be nearly impenetrable, a finding which could have serious implications for future space exploration and research.
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NASA’s Van Allen Probes Spot Impenetrable Radiation Barrier in Space by Matt Williams

http://www.universetoday.com/116742...spot-impenetrable-radiation-barrier-in-space/
 
The DIFbats continue to prove my assertion that the moon hoax believer is extinct in the wild and only exist as non-reproducing pockets in protected microhabitats.

I'm taking suggestions for a new username as this one has been rendered irrelevant to reality.
 
threadworm said:
~sighs~

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285904

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NASA recently discovered what appears to be a 'force field' over Earth, fueling the fire over whether our planet has been under spiritual and physical quarantine as many have suggested.
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That sentence is missing the word "morons". Using your skill and judgement, place the word in the appropriate place.
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Well, they've certainly got their own "force field" in play, perfectly constructed to repel all evidence and maintain their self-imposed quarantine from reality:
Don't forget there are trolls and paid shills all over the internet and especially on forums like these. They like to come over as experts and all knowing authorities. They must be getting better at what they do and expert at avoiding detection.

Its not easy to know what to believe.
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