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Merged Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact

"And I love it when someone stumbles in here and takes the world of a few crackpots over every bit of legitimate evidence to the contrary and then accuses the rest of the forum of being close-minded and gullible. It's sad of course, but in a hilarious sort of way. "

Legitimate evidence? Where? All you have is "he's a woo woo, look. Look at hiss woo woo foundation. HA! it's experimenting in stuff we don't believe in. HAHAH!"

Excuse me while I yawn my trousers off.
 
Architect said:
Albie

If you want a debate on this, then the BAUT forum is the place for you. And I'm not being sarcastic or cheeky.
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There's nothing to debate other than the bad logic used by folk here. The David Icke forum reeked of it too.

I'm no believer. I'm agnostic about everything until I have full proof. But that doesn't mean I laugh something off because it is fashionable to do so. Nor do I buy crystals and donate to psychic foundations.
 
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albie said:
I'm no believer. I'm agnostic about everything until I have full proof. But that doesn't mean I laugh something off because it is fashionable to do so. Nor do I buy crystals and donate to psychic foundations.
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I was going to reply to this properly, but you're right. All this is so laughably pointless and absurd that it's not worth the time we're spending on it. Please feel free to keep on believeing what you choose to believe, under the guise of skepticism if you wish (although I think you should look up the meaning of "agnostic" some time), and I'll keep on finding you mildly amusing.

Dave
 
Under the guise of skepticism?

Is that what you wear too?

The term agnostic is a flawed one. Anyone who is truly agnostic would never believe in anything even if he saw it.
Clearly function creep has given this term a more useful and sane one.

No, I am not function creep.
 
Seems he's not the only NASA guy to blow his whistle.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/nasa_knows_ufos.htm

"Now comes another whistle-blower, one Clark C. McClelland, who says that for more than three decades he worked at NASA's launch facilities at Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. During that time, he says, he saw plenty of evidence that NASA officials and employees were exposed to unexplainable and sometimes quite alarming UFO events. If McClelland is telling the truth, he could become one of the most significant UFO witnesses in recent memory. "

And yes, I'm aware NASA fired him. Although there seems to be no reason for his firing.
 
I will remind you, albie, that contact with aliens is not the only "unconventional" belief held by Mitchell. I posted above a link to the Institute of Noetic Sciences which he founded. They have a list of educational materials available to purchase. Here are some of the titles:

"Can Psi Be Learned?"
"The Implications of Psychic Abilities” by Russell Targ
“The Afterlife Experiments” by Gary Schwartz, PhD
“Research in Prayer & Distant Healing” by Elisabeth Targ, MD

Here is a link to the faq on their distant healing project (healing through prayer, etc)

Would you expect the skeptical community to take at face value the claims of a man who has founded an institute to study life after death, psychic abilities, and healing through prayer?
 
albie said:
"You first. Tell me about all these people you've met who can give cogent accounts of meetings with senior officers in the Pentagon and wear their pants round their ankles 24/7."

I've spoken with many nutters and not one of them retain their sense of reality for a few seconds. Not one would pass even a laymen's scrutiny. Apparently you think mad people can fool everyone around them. EVEN BEING FLOWN TO THE MOON. Passing the stringent pschological tests NASA would have conducted FREQUENTLY. They know what to look for. And apparently he is capable of founding an almost scientific foundation, despite the fact that he has delusions and hallucinations.
You find this likely.

No wonder you also think that seasoned NASA individuals with near top level security allowance would lie to Mitchell about aliens for a laugh.

I understand that you are fashioning your opinions of this subject on the spur, but come on. If I wasn't so disappointed I would probably laugh.
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Sorry we have all fell short of your expectations.
 
Architect said:
Albie

If you want a debate on this, then the BAUT forum is the place for you. And I'm not being sarcastic or cheeky.
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He would have already have a warning if not banning at BAUT for the posts he has made.
 
So a claim from what would be considered a reliable source exists. So we put on our critical hats and thing:

1. Ok, maybe see what he has to say

but also

2. We know such reliable witnesses can and do get mislead all the time. Also there's a financial corruption possibility adding to the mix, because in general it'll get you some talking head time. Thirdly, they can be confused more easily when older, and he's quite old.



Which theory to people want to bet will pan out? That expert people are known and documented to be duped, confused, or outright frauds? Or that there really are aliens, the government knows about them, and is keeping people silent (obviously not completely!)


Don't decide, keep both theories in your head and see which fits the facts better as they emerge. You be the judge, and don't just look for arguments that support the aliens and discount the counter-alien facts and theories, because that's far more exciting.


Something to ponder: Is there evidence? Or just claims of aliens and suppression of evidence by the government?
 
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