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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

Vixen said:
Yes and this is what was being discussed. If it is so mortifying to have a fond belief put to the test then perhaps avoid contributing to the debate. Just because it is perfectly natural for you for Nixon to ring up the Apollo11 crew ont he Moon from his White House phone, for the sceptics amongst us, this needs further consideration as to the logistics of it all. It is not a reflection on you if you don't get what the problem is. Not everyone is a problem solver.
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The logistics were explained to you.
 
JesseCuster said:
Why were you chastising me for not spitting out what I wanted to ask, when I asked you directly in plain simple English at least 18 times over the course of the thread, exactly what I wanted to ask?
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Vixen doesn't like plain English, she thinks it's something that the authorities use to bamboozle her.
 
Vixen said:
Yes and this is what was being discussed. If it is so mortifying to have a fond belief put to the test then perhaps avoid contributing to the debate. Just because it is perfectly natural for you for Nixon to ring up the Apollo11 crew ont he Moon from his White House phone, for the sceptics amongst us, this needs further consideration as to the logistics of it all. It is not a reflection on you if you don't get what the problem is. Not everyone is a problem solver.
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Says the person who has been going on and on and on about the necessity of a "non-geopositioned satellite" for line-of-sight communications. You trying to turn that level of ignorance into someone else's lack of understanding would be hilarious, if it weren't so sad. Even sadder is the fact you think you are fooling anyone with your hamfisted deflections.
 
Vixen said:
Sure: Getting a TV signal from the moon to the earth required the use of no satellites whatsoever. The astronauts had their antenna pointed at earth, and their signal was received by one or more of the three large receiving ground stations of the deep space network.

It was, compared to whatever weird contrivance is half-formed in your imagination, a doddle.
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Yes and this is what was being discussed. If it is so mortifying to have a fond belief put to the test then perhaps avoid contributing to the debate. Just because it is perfectly natural to you for Nixon to ring up the Apollo11 crew on the Moon from his White House phone, for the sceptics amongst us, this needs further consideration as to the logistics of it all. It is not a reflection on you if you don't get what the problem is. Not everyone is a problem solver.
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Do you understand that electromagnetic radiation travels in straight lines?
 
Vixen said:
Yes and this is what was being discussed.
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There's nothing left to discuss.
Vixen said:
If it is so mortifying to have a fond belief put to the test then perhaps avoid contributing to the debate. Just because it is perfectly natural to you for Nixon to ring up the Apollo11 crew on the Moon from his White House phone, for the sceptics amongst us, this needs further consideration as to the logistics of it all. It is not a reflection on you if you don't get what the problem is. Not everyone is a problem solver.
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No, not everyone is a problem solver. Some are problem creators. Some of them aren't very good at it.
 
Vixen said:
It would prove they were where they said they were. Isn't that the point of photographing historical moments, like reaching the peak of Mount Everest, or reaching the North Pole or finding the North West Passage?
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No, it wouldn't.

First of all, photos showing stars in the background of scenes containing sunlit objects would prove to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of photography that they weren't there, for reasons already thoroughly explained, and just as thoroughly ignored by you.

Second, if you took the time to do visible light photography of only stars, it wouldn't look any different from photos taken from a mountaintop observatory on earth, of the same region of the celestial sphere. It wouldn't prove their provenance as lunar surface photos any more than a photo of a blue sky with a few cirrus clouds would prove that a resident of Eugene, OR had been to Hiroshima.

You're just desperately trying to invent a reason why they should have taken photos of the stars to justify your faith in the ignorant conspiracy theory you're parroting.
 
Reformed Offlian said:
You have never cogently articulated a logistical problem wrt that phone call. And your interlocutors understand more about the logistics than you seem to be aware of.
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The problem I see is that gungho patriotism gets in the way. Axxman300 sees it as near treasonous to even think of questioning Apollo11. Patriotism is fine but it doesn't augur well for an objective debate as it puts up insurmountable barriers of defence. We have no problem discussing the Soviet space efforts dispassionately but try to look objectively at the US program and it's almost like asking someone to (...fill in your own analogy, including the word 'shag') sideways

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Vixen said:
They took a pic of the relevant landmark, i.e., the mountain peak that was identifiable in relation and aspects to the surrounding peaks. No point showing your flag with no identifiable background
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Well now, how do YOU know that Hillary picture was real? How do we know that Hillary didn't fake the picture in New Zealand? How do we know he didn't pay Ray Harryhausen to fake all the pictures of the expedition at a studio in Burbank? If you're going to question the Apollo missions you might as well question Hillary, or Admiral Bird, the Wright Brothers, the Manhattan Project, and WWI while you're at it.
 
Vixen said:
The problem I see is that gungho patriotism gets in the way.
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At which point in the signal path does gung-ho patriotism get in the way? Is it in the telephone network from the White House to mission control, or in the links from there to the deep space network antennae, or in the radio link from there to the moon?
 
Axxman300 said:
Well now, how do YOU know that Hillary picture was real? How do we know that Hillary didn't fake the picture in New Zealand? How do we know he didn't pay Ray Harryhausen to fake all the pictures of the expedition at a studio in Burbank? If you're going to question the Apollo missions you might as well question Hillary, or Admiral Bird, the Wright Brothers, the Manhattan Project, and WWI while you're at it.
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Well, start a thread on Hillary and Tenzing as it would be an interesting topic. I can't see why anyone would find it threatening to discuss it.
 
Vixen said:
The problem I see is that gungho patriotism gets in the way. Axxman300 sees it as near treasonous to even think of questioning Apollo11. Patriotism is fine but it doesn't augur well for an objective debate as it puts up insurmountable barriers of defence. We have no problem discussing the Soviet space efforts dispassionately but try to look objectively at the US program and its almost like asking someone to (...fill in your own analogy, including the word 'shag') sideways

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It has nothing to do with patriotism and eveything to do with verifiable facts and reasoned, logical argument.
 
Vixen said:
Well, start a thread on Hillary and Tenzing as it would be an interesting topic. I can't see why anyone would find it threatening to discuss it.
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Axxman doesn't find it threatening to discuss it. Which is why he's discussing it and asking about it.

Are you really this thick and obtuse that you can't understand basic human conversation and communication or are you just acting and pretending to be this thick and obtuse?
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
At which point in the signal path does gung-ho patriotism get in the way? Is it in the telephone network from the White House to mission control, or in the links from there to the deep space network antennae, or in the radio link from there to the moon?
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It's those great big American flags they had all around the tracking station at Honeysuckle Creek.
 
SuperMurrio said:
'Right lads, we've been rumbled. Some photography expert has figured out that the Hasselblad pictures should have stars in them.
Here's what we'll do. On a later 'mission', we'll come up with a fancy camera for taking photos of stars. But instead of taking it onto the set in the Nevada desert with the rest of the fake gear, we'll Photoshop it in later.'
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As you well know, the Nevada desert looks exactly like the surface of the moon.

 
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