AP source not who he claimed to be

Mycroft said:
It seems to me you're the one who is letting political biases cloud your judgement.

Michelle Malkin certainly has a political bias, but she didn't create this issue, and her politics don't alter the facts of the case.
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Don't you get it? Michelle Malkin is an evil conservative and therefore a liar who should be questioned if she says it's sunny outside... the anonymous AP reporter is of god-like purity and one shouldn't dare even look him in the eyes, and never ever question what he says. If the anonymous AP reporter says the world is flat, then the earth is flat dammit and you're a troll for even daring to question it.
 
Read Malkins web site. She is the one claiming AP is conspiring with the Islamists. This whole topic is about nothing but trying to say Iraq is not going so bad, the victims were never killed and burned. It's just trying to deny that even the ISG is wrong when they say Iraq is worse is it has been portrayed.
 
a_unique_person said:
Read Malkins web site. She is the one claiming AP is conspiring with the Islamists. This whole topic is about nothing but trying to say Iraq is not going so bad, the victims were never killed and burned. It's just trying to deny that even the ISG is wrong when they say Iraq is worse is it has been portrayed.
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Ah, I see. The issue isn't whether or not Capt. Hussein exists, but whether the war is going good or bad.

Too bad goalposts aren't heavier, they would be harder to move then.
 
a_unique_person said:
Read Malkins web site. She is the one claiming AP is conspiring with the Islamists. This whole topic is about nothing but trying to say Iraq is not going so bad, the victims were never killed and burned. It's just trying to deny that even the ISG is wrong when they say Iraq is worse is it has been portrayed.
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How bad the Iraqi situation is is merely a backstory. This thread is about AP's use of a non-existent primary source. One who is looking more and more like a Sunni insurgent propagandist. While I have doubted that AP is guilty of collusion with the enemy,..it is becoming more likely that people will see it that way since they are still stonewalling. They need to either produce this guy or they need to admit to being duped.

Malkin has said Hussein has been a primary source for 60 stories of Sunnis being massacred in Baghdad. I personally try and refrain from using Malkin or any other polemicist as a source...but my own checking does confirm that Hussein has been quoted directly in 16 AP stories since April this year. Also AP has said that they know Capt. Hussein well and have worked with him for 2 years...yet I can find no mention of his name prior to April 2006.

There's something exceedingly smelly about AP's role in this. Being an honest person AUP, you can surely see that AP is handling this situation as if they've done something wrong. They need to clear this up. I continue to look forward to their full explanation.

-z

BTW: I don't think anyone here is trying to use this fiasco to say that everything is all puppy dogs and butterflies in Baghdad...but this is an indication that the Sunni insurgency has likely used AP to publicize their propaganda. AP must either produce Capt. Hussein, or come clean about being duped by the Sunni insurgency....because the only other option leaves AP itself guilty of promoting enemy propaganda in wartime.
 
I wonder what this thread would look like if the events in question took place in say, China or Cuba:

Government announces they're cracking down on officials who talk to the press without permission.
Reporter quotes a low-level government official in a story that makes the government look bad.
Government announces the source quoted in the story is not a government official.
Other reporters verify source, point out that he had been quoted in stories for at least two years without any objections from the government as to his supposed non-existence.

American conservatives conclude ... what?
 
Steven Howard said:
I wonder what this thread would look like if the events in question took place in say, China or Cuba:
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Reporters have free rein in Iraq, anyone could go there and verify Hussein's existence. Not so in China or Cuba.
 
WildCat said:
Reporters have free rein in Iraq, anyone could go there and verify Hussein's existence. Not so in China or Cuba.
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It was my understanding from links posted earlier in this thread that the Iraqi government has placed restrictions on which police officers are permitted to speak to the press.
 
Steven Howard said:
So, are you saying the quote from Lt. Dean was incorrect, or are you retracting the following statement?
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There are several possibilities:
1. Dean is incorrect, and police aren't fired just for speaking to the media.
2. Dean is correct, and Hussein hasn't been fired because:
(a Hussein is not a police officer
(b the rule is not enforced
(c the rule is enforced, but hasn't yet reached Hussein

I'm sure there's other possibilities, that's just a sampling.

At any case, I fail to see how this rule (if it exists) prevents a non-AP reporter from verifying Hussein's identity as stated by the AP.
 
Steven Howard said:
It was my understanding from links posted earlier in this thread that the Iraqi government has placed restrictions on which police officers are permitted to speak to the press.
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Yup. And this isn't the only issue limiting the press. Bear in mind this recent policy announcement:
Iraq's Interior Ministry said Thursday it had formed a special unit to monitor news coverage and vowed to take legal action against journalists who failed to correct stories the ministry deemed to be incorrect.
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And this is with the backdrop that the government ostensibly represents one of the sects in the sectarian conflict.
 
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Mycroft said:
1 - It seems to me you're the one who is letting political biases cloud your judgement.

2 - You claim the Iraqi DOI has motivation to be less than truthful, yet it's unclear what those motivations are.
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1 - My only judgement in this thread was that it was time to question your beliefs. This is neither political or biased.

2 - Unclear?
Badge and decoder ring. Now.
 
WildCat said:
Ah, I see. The issue isn't whether or not Capt. Hussein exists, but whether the war is going good or bad.

Too bad goalposts aren't heavier, they would be harder to move then.
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I didn't move them, she moved them.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006431.htm

Fake news vs. real news from Iraq
By Michelle Malkin · November 28, 2006 07:35 AM
Poll time:


[SIZE=-1]Who's the biggest terrorist propaganda tool?
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] The Associated Press
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] The New York Times
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] CNN[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
al Jazeera[/SIZE]

10:35am Eastern update: Here are the results three hours into the pollling. The blabbermouths at the NYTimes are still ahead...
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In her story on the point raised in this thread, she has this poll at the top of the piece. It is as plain as day what she is doing and saying. AP lies, it's the biggest terrorist propaganda tool.
 
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a_unique_person said:
I didn't move them, she moved them.
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This has nothing to do w/ Malkin. She is irrelevant to this thread.

The US military and the Iraqi gov't says Capt. Hussein does not exist, the anonymous AP reporter says he does. That is the subject of this thread...
 
a_unique_person said:
I didn't move them, she moved them.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006431.htm

In her story on the point raised in this thread, she has this poll at the top of the piece. It is as plain as day what she is doing and saying. AP lies, it's the biggest terrorist propaganda tool.
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You want to twist the issue to if one agrees with Michelle Malkin or not. You're working hard to create a false-dichotomy where you eaither love Malkin and hate the AP or vice-versa.

But that's not skeptical. It's not even particularly rational.

Malkin is a political commentator, nothing more and nothing less. Like many other political commentators, such as Rush Limbaugh, Stephen Colbert, Al Frankin or Anne Coulter, some of what she’s going to say will make sense and be worth considering, and some of what she says will be partisan hyperbole good mostly to entertain those that mostly agree with her and to infuriate those that mostly disagree with her.

But she didn’t create this issue. The facts of this story don’t depend on how much you like or dislike Michelle Malkin. Love her or hate her, the facts still are that the Iraqi DOI, which is the employer of Iraqi police officers, claims that no such person as Captain Jamil Hussein exists even though the AP has quoted this person more than a dozen times.

This needs explaining. It’s that simple.

The disappointing thing are the supposed “skeptics” who should line up in support of accurate information, journalistic ethics, or just plain old evidence, who instead line up like magnets on their side of the political spectrum and squawk and squeal about everything but the identity of Captain Jamil Hussein.
 
varwoche said:
the police station sits in a most dangerous neighborhood in a city/country rapidly deteriorating into civil war.
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And to drive the point home (is this necessary?) -- a stunning 12,000 Iraqi cops have been killed since Saddam was deposed, according to the interior minister. article
 
varwoche said:
And to drive the point home (is this necessary?) -- a stunning 12,000 Iraqi cops have been killed since Saddam was deposed, according to the interior minister. article
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That's terrible.

And if one of them very recently were our Captain Jamil Hussein, that might explain why the AP could talk to him and yet the Iraqi DOI no longer have him on the payroll. Of course, someone would have to look into that discrepency to discover if that were the answer. Pity no one has.
 
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