Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

I know nothing about this... but my guess that nothing will ever come of it.
 
benthamitemetric said:
Ziggi is in hiding after blowing his promises for "major updates" this spring and summer. Basile himself hasn't been heard form directly in ages. Not even a single truther can muster any support for either of these fraudsters any more.
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Also, it appears that he has deleted his Youtube account.
 
58. Closing in on 5 years now that Mark Basile and "Ziggy Zugam" have had the funds to fulfill their promise to have the WTC dust independently tested. Instead of fulfilling their promise, they have simply filled those five years with lies and excuses.
 
I patiently crawled back on JM Talboo's increasingly hysterical blog "Debunking the Debunkers", to look for news on the Basile study, and found a November 14, 2008 gem, posted by "Zugam", who is not ashamed to post this ********:
Zugam said:
Mark Basile Update - Study on hold for personal reasons
Posted by Zugam

Chemical engineer Mark Basile has been dealing with some personal issues that have prevented him from completing his red/gray chip study. He is taking a break from his research until he has them resolved - Another update will be posted when that happens. I do not have permission to reveal any details.
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This of course implies that, at some point not too long before Nov 14, Basile has been doing research - which must be called out as an obvious, total, obnoxious, bizarre lie.

All that Mark Basile needs to do at this time is to put a dust sample in an envelop, write a few notes as to what he wants done with it, enclose a check for $5000, and wait 2 weeks.

It is unclear why these huxters pretend they can get away with their shameful lies after all these years of doing precisely NOTHING



@Ziggi: Any comment?
 
Oystein said:
I patiently crawled back on JM Talboo's increasingly hysterical blog "Debunking the Debunkers", to look for news on the Basile study, and found a November 14, 2008 2018 gem, posted by "Zugam", who is not ashamed to post this ********:
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FTFY. Well, you don't know if he's ashamed. His recent silence makes me think he could be.


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Oystein said:
This of course implies that, at some point not too long before Nov 14, Basile has been doing research - which must be called out as an obvious, total, obnoxious, bizarre lie.
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Not to mention breaking the premise under which the money was collected in the first place: to give the samples to an independent lab, to avoid confirmation biasWP.

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But the funds have been spent
And very well spent​
(Up and down, by Vengaboys)
 
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Even for complete idiots like me it's obvious now that this is nothing but a scam at this point.
 
Georgio said:
Even for complete idiots like me it's obvious now that this is nothing but a scam at this point.
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Does anyone think that perhaps Basile believed the rubbish about nano thermite and was going to prove it and discovered early on it was BS after he had taken money and rather that tell the truth... and refund the money, he just kept silent? Did he have any obligation to perform or prove etc. or return the money if he couldn't or didn't?
 
JSanderO said:
Does anyone think that perhaps Basile believed the rubbish about nano thermite and was going to prove it and discovered early on it was BS after he had taken money and rather that tell the truth... and refund the money, he just kept silent? Did he have any obligation to perform or prove etc. or return the money if he couldn't or didn't?
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That makes sense to me. It's not much of a scam if that's what they started with; most likely (IMO) is that they started out in good faith but were so emotionally invested in getting a positive result that when they didn't their only option was to keep making excuses.
 
JSanderO said:
Does anyone think that perhaps Basile believed the rubbish about nano thermite and was going to prove it and discovered early on it was BS after he had taken money and rather that tell the truth... and refund the money, he just kept silent? Did he have any obligation to perform or prove etc. or return the money if he couldn't or didn't?
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Yes.

According to his August 2014 "update", the last one that documented any actual progress and that he wrote himself, he was ten about to wrap up selecting suitable red-gray chips - implying he had red-gray chips then. The idea was to send them to an independent lab and see what they say the chips are, and report truthfully the results.

The only excuse he could have had to not send samples to one or more labs and thus spend the money was if he didn't have any samples, i.e. if there were no red-gray chips in his dust to be found. But since he obviously had found chips already four and a half years ago, that excuse is not available. He may have destroyed or lost all chips in the meantime, sure, but that would not be an excuse, it would aggravate the wrong-doing. It would raise the question: When and how did he destroy the evidence? And of course he'd be liable for $5000's worth of laboratory work.

@Ziggi: Why are you covering up for the crime, the scam, the fraud, the destruction of evidence, the lies?
 
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Well, as years keep passing by, the samples keep deteriorating...

This should have been done 4+ years ago.
 
Oystein said:
59.

(Sorry, benthamitemetric, for usurping your role :D)
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Haha, damn. I slack off for a few hours and you steal my thunder. (Blame it on the government shutdown--my shill check was late!) If only Mark Basile and "Ziggi Zuggam" were as proactive as you, the sample would have been submitted 59 months ago like it should have been.

Ziggi--one month away from it being 5 YEARS since Mark stated he had the money in hand to do the testing. Will you ever feel ashamed for playing a part in this fraud and continually lying about progress for so long? No one, not even any truther, believes you and is willing to defend you any longer.
 
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Correction to the above--Ziggi's username is actually Ziggi Zugam, not "Ziggi Zuggam". It's been so long since Ziggi posted new lies in defense of his old lies and fraud that I forgot how to spell his name. Ooooops.

Ziggi Zugam--are you going to emerge from hiding to celebrate the big, five-year anniversary of the start of your lies and fraud? Aren't we overdue for you again lying that you have been in touch with Mark and claiming that progress is just a few more months away? Are you ever going to return the money to the donors? It's understandable why you don't want to stick your head out again, but it's not like merely staying silent fixes your previous fraud and lies; it actually just perpetuates them and makes you look worse.
 
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benthamitemetric said:
It's understandable why you don't want to stick your head out again, but it's not like merely staying silent fixes your previous fraud and lies; it actually just perpetuates them and makes you look worse.
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Well done for sticking with this monthly reminder, benthamitemetric. I don't believe it was a fraud to start with, but it quite clearly is now (most likely IMO is that they did the tests and got the 'wrong' results) and now all involved just want it to go away by staying silent. I really can't see any other possible explanation at this point. And to paraphrase Godfrey Jones in The Simpsons, their silence only incriminates them further.

Maybe this should be a pinned thread in this section?
 
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