Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

[MileHighMadness]

Quoting my late grandfather, "The biggest problem with stupid people, they don't realize they're stupid!"

To our forum moderator...that's a general comment, directed at no one.

 

[beachnut]

Meanwhile, "Ziggi", the main defender, or co-author, of this bizarre farce, goes all in to slander me in another subforum:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12292016#post12292016

Goes to show how cornered and revealed he feels. I am getting under his skin

That was strange. I think doing studies based on the fantasy of 9/11 truth would be bad for a career. That is more like advice, to stop, collect your wits, and think before being associated with woo.

Ziggi, Basile, and 9/11 truth cult followers ignore 19 murderers, four planes, fire,science, physics and reality.

 

[benthamitemetric]

Happy June 2018, Ziggi! Are you going to continue lying about the project that you and Mark Basile have failed to complete for 51 months or is this the month that you're finally going to come clean about your collective fraud and failure?

 

[DGM]

Happy June 2018, Ziggi! Are you going to continue lying about the project that you and Mark Basile have failed to complete for 51 months or is this the month that you're finally going to come clean about your collective fraud and failure?

$5,000 is not much money for 51 months worth of work..........Pony up "truthers", with your support they will see this "independent study" through..............

The "Hulsey study" needs some cash too.................

 

[ozeco41]

$5,000 is not much money for 51 months worth of work..........
The "Hulsey study" needs some cash too.................

The Basile study was plausible and the $5,000 reasonable.

The Hulsey study will need a lot more cash and time if it is to prove the global negative "fire could not cause...."

...to date Hulsey has not even identified the set of alternate mechanisms he needs to falsify.

 

[JSanderO]

The Basile study was plausible and the $5,000 reasonable.

The Hulsey study will need a lot more cash and time if it is to prove the global negative "fire could not cause...."

...to date Hulsey has not even identified the set of alternate mechanisms he needs to falsify.

A global negative may be impossible to prove... but conceivable they could prove that conditions did not attend for the failure at the location NIST asserts it did. If this location did not actually "behave" as NIST claims... Hulsey could claim NIST was "wrong". And this leaves the investigators to propose other scenarios.

And then of course the after the fact "analysis" involved using assumptions because there were no data being taken throughout the building on 911. Any so called explanation will use assumptions. Change the assumptions and the outcome may/will be different. If reasonable assumptions are used it may be possible to achieve a plausible outcome in the study. But what is reasonable and how much variance is acceptable?

There is a history about what fire and heat do to steel used in buildings. Most buildings have measures to defeat heat and ire and most fires are not uncontrolled and un fought.

 

[LSSBB]

A global negative may be impossible to prove... but conceivable they could prove that conditions did not attend for the failure at the location NIST asserts it did. If this location did not actually "behave" as NIST claims... Hulsey could claim NIST was "wrong". And this leaves the investigators to propose other scenarios.

And then of course the after the fact "analysis" involved using assumptions because there were no data being taken throughout the building on 911. Any so called explanation will use assumptions. Change the assumptions and the outcome may/will be different. If reasonable assumptions are used it may be possible to achieve a plausible outcome in the study. But what is reasonable and how much variance is acceptable?

There is a history about what fire and heat do to steel used in buildings. Most buildings have measures to defeat heat and ire and most fires are not uncontrolled and un fought.

Except there are investigators other than NIST, who have pursued other plausible causative factors within the building, without having to resort to magical mystery explosives.

 

[benthamitemetric]

52 months and counting!

 

[benthamitemetric]

53 months of lies and failure and more lies and more failure. Not only has Mark Basile failed to fulfill his promise and complete a weekend's worth of work so he could send the samples to an independent lab in 53 months (or, if he did, as his early post indicated, he got back a result he didn't like and has been lying about that this whole time), but Ziggi has carried his water the whole time. Is anyone in the truth movement willing to go out on a limb and still give these two trustworthy, diligent soldiers for troof the benefit of the doubt? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Weren't we supposed to get some earth shattering alternative test results this summer from Basile too? LOL. How long are you going to keep lying, Ziggi? What possible excuse can excuse 53 months of lies and failure and all the additional lies along the way?

Keep up the good work!

 

[Gamolon]

I thought this was kind of funny.

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[Redwood]

53 months of lies and failure and more lies and more failure. Not only has Mark Basile failed to fulfill his promise and complete a weekend's worth of work so he could send the samples to an independent lab in 53 months (or, if he did, as his early post indicated, he got back a result he didn't like and has been lying about that this whole time), but Ziggi has carried his water the whole time. Is anyone in the truth movement willing to go out on a limb and still give these two trustworthy, diligent soldiers for troof the benefit of the doubt? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Weren't we supposed to get some earth shattering alternative test results this summer from Basile too? LOL. How long are you going to keep lying, Ziggi? What possible excuse can excuse 53 months of lies and failure and all the additional lies along the way?

Keep up the good work!

It actually goes back further than that. Here's from 2010:

Anyone taking bets as to which appears first? Basile? or Hulsey? Or neither ever appears?

 

[benthamitemetric]

It actually goes back further than that. Here's from 2010:

Anyone taking bets as to which appears first? Basile? or Hulsey? Or neither ever appears?

I started counting from when Basile claimed he had received all the money.

But you raise a good point re timing. Perhaps the most conspicuous failure of truther organizers in my mind is their failure to follow-up in good faith on the original Jones paper and obtain solid, independent and repeatable scientific data re the dust samples. Basile's failure to do this is extremely conspicuous because he and Ziggi publicly stole $5000 while repeatedly lying about their aims, progress, and efforts to date, but isn't it staggering to truthers than none of the leaders of the "truth" movement have actually even tried to prove their claims by obtaining solid, independent and repeatable scientific data? Independent testing is not that expensive and these people claim they have irrefutable evidence of the most important conspiracy of all time. Why have all these so-called truth seekers been sitting on this extraordinary evidence for all this time? It's been nearly 10 years since the original Jones was published, after all.

I submit that actions (and inactions) speak far louder than words and the only reasonable explanation for nearly 10 years of inaction in this case is that none of these people actually believes they have irrefutable evidence of the most important conspiracy in history, despite breathless blogposts and speaches to true-believers to the contrary. And yet these people continue to make claims as if they did and they make those claims while raising money from the duped true believers. Some of them, like Gage, have raised quite a lot of money. Really, however, they are all obvious scammers and no better than Ziggi and Basile. People who consider themselves truthers should wise up to it.

 

[LSSBB]

I submit that actions (and inactions) speak far louder than words and the only reasonable explanation for nearly 10 years of inaction in this case is that none of these people actually believes they have irrefutable evidence of the most important conspiracy in history, despite breathless blogposts and speaches to true-believers to the contrary. And yet these people continue to make claims as if they did and they make those claims while raising money from the duped true believers. Some of them, like Gage, have raised quite a lot of money. Really, however, they are all obvious scammers and no better than Ziggi and Basile. People who consider themselves truthers should wise up to it.

I think it's simpler than that: they've failed, so they just buried the whole stinking mess in a pit in their backyard, sealed it with concrete, and don't want to touch it. Except for the few that are still getting an income stream from the whole con, they don't want to touch anything until the golden goose breathes it's last.

 

[ProBonoShill]

53 months of lies and failure and more lies and more failure. Not only has Mark Basile failed to fulfill his promise and complete a weekend's worth of work so he could send the samples to an independent lab in 53 months (or, if he did, as his early post indicated, he got back a result he didn't like and has been lying about that this whole time), but Ziggi has carried his water the whole time. Is anyone in the truth movement willing to go out on a limb and still give these two trustworthy, diligent soldiers for troof the benefit of the doubt? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Weren't we supposed to get some earth shattering alternative test results this summer from Basile too? LOL. How long are you going to keep lying, Ziggi? What possible excuse can excuse 53 months of lies and failure and all the additional lies along the way?

Keep up the good work!

I honestly can't believe these two fraudsters haven't been criminally charged yet. How low do you have to be to scam people out of 5 thousand dollars.

Pathetic

 

[traxy]

I think it's simpler than that: they've failed, so they just buried the whole stinking mess in a pit in their backyard, sealed it with concrete, and don't want to touch it. Except for the few that are still getting an income stream from the whole con, they don't want to touch anything until the golden goose breathes it's last.

I'd agree with this assessment. Frankly, I don't think any of them had the first clue how to properly test what they had. Once they were shown the proper method for testing, all of them mysteriously clammed up. Jones, Haritt, Ryan, Basile all suspiciously went radio silent on the thermite topic at exactly the same time.

This thread seems to be the only place online that is keeping the topic alive, albeit on life support. You just know Basile pops in every few weeks, hoping to see it drop off the front page of this forum.

 

[Josarhus]

I see if I can find it again, but I am quite sure that Harrit within the last few months have stated, that the active themite used at WTC would no longer be active.

Its his way of explaining why his claims in his 2009 article can't be confirmed, without admitting that they were never true.

 

[Whip]

that the active themite used at WTC would no longer be active.

well of course not.......it was used. lol it's like saying someone can't smoke the exact same cigarette again. don't any of these clown realize words mean things?

 

[Oystein]

I see if I can find it again, but I am quite sure that Harrit within the last few months have stated, that the active themite used at WTC would no longer be active. ...

1. And does hhe also offer a theory as to why they would no longer be active? What would have happened to them? The first, perhaps most plausible mechanism would be that the supposed elemental Al has oxidized. But is that what he claims?

2. If Al has oxidized, then you should be able to find Al-oxide - in significant amounts. Has he done so? Oh noes - they never found Al-oxide, even back in 2008 after they had burned specimens!

3. The decay of such a material could probably be described in terms of a "half-life": They studied chips in 2008, and still presented some some in 2009/2010ish. So 8 or 9 years after 9/11, there was still "active" material around? That would be a certain percentage of the original amount. Then in 2018, another 8 or 9 years later, we should see the same percentag of the 2009/10 amounts around, not?

4. By stating publicly that he believed their conclusions can no longer be confirmed experimentally, I think he reveals that he is painfully aware that there NEVER was a possibility of experimental confirmation

5. The data that Harrit, Jones, Basile, Farrer produced in the old days has always, and still does, proven that these chips cannot possibly be thermitic in nature. They obviously contain far too little Al, and far too much combustible organics: Burning the organic matrix produces almost all (upwards of 98%) of the heat that was observed. At low reaction speed and generating only modest temperatures.

 

[LSSBB]

I see if I can find it again, but I am quite sure that Harrit within the last few months have stated, that the active themite used at WTC would no longer be active.

Its his way of explaining why his claims in his 2009 article can't be confirmed, without admitting that they were never true.

Sealing it with concrete...

 

[Brainster]

I see if I can find it again, but I am quite sure that Harrit within the last few months have stated, that the active themite used at WTC would no longer be active.

Its his way of explaining why his claims in his 2009 article can't be confirmed, without admitting that they were never true.

Heh, I vaguely remember Professor Jones sending some of his supposedly incendiary red and grey chips to somebody else to independently test, and the guy reported back that he found them inactive, and speculated that something had happened to them in transit.

ETA: Found it. A Frédéric Henry-Couannier tested the chips and could not get them to ignite. He speculated that either they had already been ignited or that his sample had been "deactivated to prevent my independent corroboration of a crucial proof."