Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

Criteria said:
Who cares about your heavily biased assumptions, suspicions, speculations etc etc.

Rather than waste all your time and effort carefully crafting text to appear more salient than it is, why don’t you address the science.

If you feel Mark Basile’s choice of Raman Spectroscopy has no legitimacy than let’s hear your argument!
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Very effective trolling.

Especially the "science" - many examples of which no Truther will address, spelled out in detail on these very discussions.
 
LSSBB said:
Very effective trolling.

Especially the "science" - many examples of which no Truther will address, spelled out in detail on these very discussions.
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It's all they have left.

Will he actually deal with the question at hand, why is Basile doing this in the first place and not what he was tasked?

"Truthers" will not address this because they know it's because the issue was answered years ago and will not support their fantasy.

Watch how Criteria avoids this pointed question.
 
It's now March 1, and so that means Ziggi Zugam can only claim that his lame, bare assertion that Mark Basile has done some Raman spectroscopy study, which may or may not be published in some form in another 2 months, was in actuality his much touted "major" February update on Mark Basile's 4-year long failure to simply submit the chips to an independent lab for testing.

LOL.

Who among you truthers still believes anything Ziggi Zugam claims regarding this project and why?
 
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benthamitemetric said:
It's now March 1, and so that means Ziggi Zugam can only claim that his lame, bare assertion that Mark Basile has done some Raman spectroscopy study, which may or may not be published in some form in another 2 months, was in actuality his much touted "major" February update on Mark Basile's 4-year long failure to simply submit the chips to an independent lab for testing.

LOL.

Who among you truthers still believes anything Ziggi Zugam claims regarding this project and why?
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Well you never know, truthers are some of the most gullible people on the planet so I'm sure there's still a few around.

My hope is one of the large donors takes Basile and Ziggi to court and sues them for fraud.

The good thing is, these two scam artists have done as much to discredit the 9/11 Truth movement as anyone ever has.
 
Criteria said:
”…why don’t you address the science.

If you feel Mark Basile’s choice of Raman Spectroscopy has no legitimacy than let’s hear your argument!
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It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
 
Criteria said:
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
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If indeed some Raman spectroscopy results exist, then we'll be able to comment on them when they're published. When will that be, exactly?

Dave
 
debunked by evidence, thermite study scam is based on ignorance of believers

Criteria said:
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
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If you understood science/physics/engineering, you would not be fooled by 9/11 truth lies. Why no evidence for 9/11 truth claims. Do you have any? 9/11 truth claims, based on overwhelming ignorance of science.

9/11 truth believers fall for the dumbest claims. Why? Lack of knowledge, or overwhelming gullibility. When will the study be complete?

There is no damage to steel on 9/11 due to thermite. Basile debunked on September 11th, 2001. The results of a worthless study will be, "what"?

What is your opinion of Raman Spectroscopy WRT Basile's delusion of thermite used on 9/11, with no evidence of WTC steel damage due to thermite? oops, debunked before done.
 
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Criteria said:
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
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I had addressed this at length in post #837.

The short version: You had created a Strawman - a fallacy, as you know.

You need to address that post. Until then, I am laughing at you.
 
Criteria said:
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
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The whole Idea of testing these chips is now a Joke Harley Davidson cherry red,
Aluminum metallic flake paint has 20 times the energy value of these chips and is thermitic under N2 or argon.
Why wouldn't the perps just used it?
 
Criteria said:
It appears that no one here understands the subject of Raman Spectroscopy well enough to support an opinion about its value to Mark Basile’s research.
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Raman is good at telling if solids are strongly bonded as the energy rates are different for bonded and non bonded materials, but that hardly helps you or Basile at all. Anything found would have to be also analized by other methods to determine natural vs unnatural.
And I doubt the Raman signal would show Elemental Aluminum, Raman can be fooled by Aluminum compounds.
 
For his Raman spectroscopy tests to be of any use for us, he needs to do the following:

Step 1: Select chips from his dust sample by pulling them out with a magnet and selecting the red-gay ones. Document with Visible Light Microscope
Step 2: Prepare specimens for the electron microscope, e.g. split them with scalpel to create a fresh, smooth surface
Step 3: Take SEM micrographs - both SE and BSE. Show the pigments in the matrix! Ideally, he finds specimens with rhombic grains and hexagonal plates like Harrit et al did in their Figures 8-11, and also specimens with different pigments
Step 4: At the same time, take XEDS spectra from the same areas. Again, we need a match for the spectra in Figure 6 and 7 for those chips that have rhombic grains and hexagonal plates as pigments. Ideally, he also finds specimens with an elemental composition of the red layer similar to Fig 14 (the chip Jones incompetently handled and destroyed in an MEK bath)
Step 5: Focus on the different pigment species, and also on areas where there is only matrix, and take spot XEDS


THEN he is ready to examine the same specimens with Raman spectroscopy.

I guarantee that he will identify epoxy, iron(III) oxide and aluminium silicate (a crystal latice with alternating layers of Al2O3 and SiO2 molecules) in the chips that resemble Figures 6-11.
I still hope for direct evidence of strontium chromate (remember that both Harrit and Farrer, from independent tests on their red-gray chips, have reported seeing traces of both strontium and chromium).

If Basile finds chips very similar to what Jones raped with MEK, he will find alkyd groups, linolenic and other fatty acids, zinc chromate, both crystalline and amorpic SiO2, iron(III) oxide again of course, and calcium aluminates, as well as talc (magnesium silicate).
 
Oystein said:
For his Raman spectroscopy tests to be of any use for us, he needs to do the following:

Step 1: Select chips from his dust sample by pulling them out with a magnet and selecting the red-gay ones. Document with Visible Light Microscope
Step 2: Prepare specimens for the electron microscope, e.g. split them with scalpel to create a fresh, smooth surface
Step 3: Take SEM micrographs - both SE and BSE. Show the pigments in the matrix! Ideally, he finds specimens with rhombic grains and hexagonal plates like Harrit et al did in their Figures 8-11, and also specimens with different pigments
Step 4: At the same time, take XEDS spectra from the same areas. Again, we need a match for the spectra in Figure 6 and 7 for those chips that have rhombic grains and hexagonal plates as pigments. Ideally, he also finds specimens with an elemental composition of the red layer similar to Fig 14 (the chip Jones incompetently handled and destroyed in an MEK bath)
Step 5: Focus on the different pigment species, and also on areas where there is only matrix, and take spot XEDS


THEN he is ready to examine the same specimens with Raman spectroscopy.

I guarantee that he will identify epoxy, iron(III) oxide and aluminium silicate (a crystal latice with alternating layers of Al2O3 and SiO2 molecules) in the chips that resemble Figures 6-11.
I still hope for direct evidence of strontium chromate (remember that both Harrit and Farrer, from independent tests on their red-gray chips, have reported seeing traces of both strontium and chromium).

If Basile finds chips very similar to what Jones raped with MEK, he will find alkyd groups, linolenic and other fatty acids, zinc chromate, both crystalline and amorpic SiO2, iron(III) oxide again of course, and calcium aluminates, as well as talc (magnesium silicate).
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Of course, there was never anything to the CD theories, of Jones he is simply a physicist who either,
A does not understand Physics. Or be committed deliberate Fraud, for political and
Monitary gain with Alex Jones and Jones's RTV backers, and troll networks to capitalize on Propoganda being generated at the Time. By Islamic exstreamists, Neo Nazis, the Nation Of Islam, and Certain state actors.
That became popular after Dylan Avery Produced Loose Change.
Conspiracy theories have but one purpose in modern Cyber warfare, and that is to cause confusion and hate among them populace of a Free Democracy.
Such cyber warfare can only be fought with Logic, Science, and Understanding how and why such things are perpetuated and what the goals and gains are.
With that understanding it is clear that much of the Truth Movement was nothing but Propogandizing by different State actors.
 
So May is just around the corner. Where are those Raman spectroscopy results, Ziggi? And any word on why you and Make Basile have now failed to complete a weekend’s worth of work and make good on the actual promised project for 50 straight months?

How does it feel to steal money from, and help discredit, a movement that you actually claim to believe in?
 
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Happy May 2018, Ziggi! Are you going to continue lying about the project that you and Mark Basile have failed to complete for 50 months or are you going to come clean about your collective fraud and failure?
 
Four days ago, May 8th, Ziggi posted this embarrassing post:
Mark Basile - Raman Update
Ziggi Zugam said:
The last update, dated February 24, 2018, had this to say:
Chemical engineer Mark Basile has completed his own Raman spectroscopy study on red/gray chips and other materials, including paint. He is currently writing up the data and the report will be made publicly available soon - how soon depends on whether it will simply be posted as a publicly available PDF file, or published in a journal. https://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2018/02/mark-basile-update-raman-spectroscopy.html​

I was hoping to be able to report in this update that the Raman report is ready, but Mr. Basile is planning additional DSC testing to compare how materials with different Raman spectra perform when heated up.

Look for a major update this summer, including more news about the Raman report and some news about independent testing.
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Haha.

Why is Mark Basile burning chips? Why does he not send them to independent labs? Why does he not use $5000 they way he promised many years ago?

Why is Ziggi Zugam still covering for this incompetent fraud?


Major update "this summer"? Summer ends on September 23rd or thereabouts - more than 4 months to go. To do tests a competent analyst could do in an afternoon.

At least we have, again, confirmation that the red-gray chips are several diffetent materials. Several paint recipes, of course. Remember that Harrit et all treated the red gray chips as if they are all the same material? None of these fools admitted this ever.
 
It's amazing. This has been going on over 4 years now, and not a full update or intent to publish yet.
 
Oystein said:
Meanwhile, "Ziggi", the main defender, or co-author, of this bizarre farce, goes all in to slander me in another subforum:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12292016#post12292016

Goes to show how cornered and revealed he feels. I am getting under his skin ;)
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So much time to spew hot air and garbage but apparently not enough time in the last 4 years, 2 months and 2 weeks to simply own up to his lies and fraud and return to people the money he and Mark Basile have stolen.

How long are you going to keep the lies going, Ziggi? Not even your fellow travelers who want to believe you are still on board with your BS it seems. You had one job and you managed to bungle it and turn yourself into an embarrassment for the 9-11 truth movement. Think about it--how far do you have to fall to be an embarrassment to other truthers? It's an incredible feat! Kudos on managing to scumbag your way to the very bottom.
 
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