Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

That's my hunch, too.
And similarly, that's where Jeff Farrer entirely left da Twoof - when he couldn't find any elemental Al, only kaolin and perhaps calcium aluminates, in the very chips he presented in Harrit et al (2009).

If there is anything that scares Truthers, it's the actual truth.

Steven E Jones, Fraud, Niels Harrit Fraud, Richard Gage Fraud, Mark Basile Fraud.

Does anyone see a pattern in Twoofers?

It was always to easy to do a DSC under inert gas and falsify Harrit 2009!
 
It was always to easy to do a DSC under inert gas and falsify Harrit 2009!
^This!

In 30+ years of working in the fabrication industry, mostly in QC, I've had to prove over and over that the welding procedures and qualified welders I worked with met code and client requirements. This occurred on a daily basis and there wasn't any lee-way in what testing was required.

The testing was definitive in proving these procedures and welders could do what was required of them.

If I was required to provide a procedure that could withstand x force and x temperature, I had to provide charpy testing that proved it.

How hard is it to do an inert gas burn test to prove the reaction requires no oxygen?

How hard would it be to send samples to independent labs with a yellow sticky that says, "What am I?"?

(Not quite that simple but you get my point)

And would every lab choose the exact same methodology as Harrit et al?

If not, why?

Is it because the paper itself was only produced to pander to a specific target audience that wouldn't ask such questions?
 
Nuh, not really because...
And would every lab choose the exact same methodology as Harrit et al?

If not, why?
...of ^This!

How hard would it be to send samples to independent labs with a yellow sticky that says, "What am I?"?
But even more so ^This!
(Not quite that simple but you get my point)
Almost that simple! Include check with the mail, of course.
 
I think we need to do a fact check at this point:

The money raised was to do an independent study where Mark Basile was going to select the chips and they would be examined by an independent lab to determine what they were.

$5000 was raised

Last year, this was changed to.......... Mark was doing "some tests" and after that an independent lab will be used to verify.

I'm going back to the basics. No tricks here, do I have this correct (up to this point, last year).

I'll continue but if someone wants to progress over the last year feel free. Please, stick to fact.
 
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I think we need to do a fact check at this point:

The money raised was to do an independent study where Mark Basile was going to select the chips and they would be examined by an independent lab to determine what they were.

$5000 was raised

Last year, this was changed to.......... Mark was doing "some tests" and after that an independent lab will be used to verify.

I'm going back to the basics. No tricks here, do I have this correct (up to this point, last year).

I'll continue but if someone wants to progress over the last year feel free. Please, stick to fact.

Fact it is and has always been a fraudulent idea.:)
 
...About a year after the last update Ziggi, the newly appointed spokesperson (by who, no one knows) announces that the study is back on track and an update will be made in "early October".

October comes and goes and inquiries are made as to the promised update.

The response is again from Ziggi saying they will give updates when the feel they want to.

More to come. Please correct anything I have said if not correct.
 
He has probably spent the last 3 years sending samples out to a dozen independent labs and they've all come back as paint chips. As was said above, nothing scares truthers more than the truth, and there is no way a result of anything but therm*te would be leaked out. It was fraud from the start. Just let it die with the rest of the truth movement.
 
Agreed.

I cannot quantify it BUT to what extent are forums such as this acting as "life support" for the Truth Movement?

Is it time to "pull the plug"??

;)

It was time to pull the plug, back in 2009, it was always a fraud.

Oh no iron produced in nano Fe 203 at low temperature, causing sol gel nano thermite to self ignite at low temperature.

http://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/947823-859JgA/

The only way that they could have confirmed Harrit and Jones was with an ignert gas ignition test!
 

A present for you DGM,

Control experiments were conducted using standard fine-particle iron oxide to determine if a
similar activation effect could be seen with high-surface area iron oxide by heating in an inert atmosphere
with added hydrocarbon impurities. A formulation was made with 80% NANOCAT® Superfine Iron
Oxide (MachI Inc.), 10% SPAN® 80 (Uniqema, ICI Americas Inc., used as a dispersed carbon source),
and 10% Fluorel® FC-2175. The material was formulated by ultrasonicating in mixed esters and
evaporating off the solvent. Thermal analysis was conducted on the material with activation temperatures
of 200, 250, and 300 °C. There was no evidence of any exothermic behavior upon switching from argon
to air. This material was taken to ignition (despite not having any aluminum) and a similar trend in
ignition behavior was seen as that with sol-gel thermites as shown in Figure 5. For the three different
activation temperatures of 200, 250, and 300 °C, the ignition temperatures were 230, 244, and 281 °C,
respectively. This exothermic behavior is presumed to be oxidation of reduced iron species; however it is
not understood why these species exhibited no exothermic behavior on the initial gas switch from argon

Nano Iron exposed to a reducing atmosphere can become ignitable.
 
OK, who is going to bury, this now dead study?
It is not likely to happen because discussion will continue.

Remember the taxonomic hierarchy:

(A) Subject area is 9/11 conspiracy
--- (B) Subset WTC Collapses << Explained as result of impact damage and unfought fires - no viable counter hypotheses
------(C) subSubset claims for CD <<Status No viable pro CD hypothesis to discuss
----------(D) subsubSubset Claims for CD by explosive cutting << essentially disproved subject to use of Scientifically PC language
---------------(E) Alternate subsubSubset Claims -Use of thermXte introduced << a complex of reasons << No viable hypothesis.
---------------------(F) at least three more levels of deeper descent into rabbit burrows. Including descent into tit for tat responses to persinal insults.

Summary:
(1) Discussion has been moot WRT to WTC 9/11 conspiracy since Level (C) since there is no pro CD hypothesis;

(2) No matter how far the "Truthers" or "Trolls" extend the rabbit burrows - some debunkers are willing to follow.
 
The study is dead. The questions that remain are; Who appointed Ziggi the spokes person and what happened to the money?
"Crossed in posting". :o

Agreed EXCEPT why single out just one aspect of the trolling tactics? You may have a good reason - I just don't see what it is that is special to make Ziggi's self appointment stand out above the rest of the garbage. :confused:
 
It is not likely to happen because discussion will continue.

Remember the taxonomic hierarchy:

(A) Subject area is 9/11 conspiracy
--- (B) Subset WTC Collapses << Explained as result of impact damage and unfought fires - no viable counter hypotheses
------(C) subSubset claims for CD <<Status No viable pro CD hypothesis to discuss
----------(D) subsubSubset Claims for CD by explosive cutting << essentially disproved subject to use of Scientifically PC language
---------------(E) Alternate subsubSubset Claims -Use of thermXte introduced << a complex of reasons << No viable hypothesis.
---------------------(F) at least three more levels of deeper descent into rabbit burrows. Including descent into tit for tat responses to persinal insults.

Summary:
(1) Discussion has been moot WRT to WTC 9/11 conspiracy since Level (C) since there is no pro CD hypothesis;

(2) No matter how far the "Truthers" or "Trolls" extend the rabbit burrows - some debunkers are willing to follow.

Agreed, I am though solely looking at this from the point of scientific curiosity, to understand
The chemistry of the fires and rubble pile better.
I now know that simple reduction of the oxide in paint chips with carbon, or SUfur can
Create exothermic chips, that will combust in air but not under inert atmosphere.
What is more interesting though is they provide the natural ignition source for Aluminothermic reactions. Natural forms of thermite, and could have been generated easily in the hydrocarbon fires, in the buildings or in the rubble pile.
 
Ziggi,

I have to ask you again: Who appointed you as spokesperson and gatekeeper? It sure wasn't the people who donated most of the money and who want you to get lost.

Does Richard Gage play any role?
 
Ziggi,

I have to ask you again: Who appointed you as spokesperson and gatekeeper? It sure wasn't the people who donated most of the money and who want you to get lost.

Does Richard Gage play any role?
He's too busy creating a diversion by "discrediting" Chris Mohr to attend to this issue.

He knows his audience, they'll forget about the Basile study in no time.

The interesting part will be to see how far Rick will push to get the money back.......;)
 
He's too busy creating a diversion by "discrediting" Chris Mohr to attend to this issue.

He knows his audience, they'll forget about the Basile study in no time.

The interesting part will be to see how far Rick will push to get the money back.......;)

Twoofers don't give money back warranties, I mean what would Rick do sue in court claiming he was defrauded by a fraud investigating a fraud?:)
 
He's too busy creating a diversion by "discrediting" Chris Mohr to attend to this issue.

He knows his audience, they'll forget about the Basile study in no time.

The interesting part will be to see how far Rick will push to get the money back.......;)

The only question now is how much beer and weed, was bought with the $5000?:D
 

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