Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

Dave Rogers said:
Maybe all the competent labs are seeing how they respond to results they don't like, and thinking better of having anythng to do with them.

Dave
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More likely, Basile & Co. got the "bad" news back from the lab and have decided to suppress the results, like Harrit's FTIR and XRD results. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think Mark Basile's study will ever get done. They know the results from an independent lab would make them all look very silly.
 
Sunstealer said:
I don't think Mark Basile's study will ever get done.
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My prediction. As they have already changed the study to "confirming" Basiles finding instead of doing the actual work(*). They will claim the lab was wrong/ sold out and carry on as usual (until the need more money to do it again).

"Truthers" won't question this. They have never questioned the word of their leaders.

(*) a point no "truther" has dared to point out.
 
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Then: What was going to be done by an independent lab.

Proposal:
Sample Preparation:
- Red/gray chip separation using optical microscopy and magnetic attraction to assist in isolation of particles of interest.
- Optical images of collected particulates as collected at appropriate magnifications to record condition as collected.
Sample Analysis:
- SEM/EDX with elemental quantification of red/gray chips, both red and gray layers.
- FTIR analysis of organic components of red/gray chips, both red and gray layers.
- ESCA small spot technique with argon ion sputter for depth profiling to definitively establish the presence of elemental aluminum within the red layer of the red/gray chips. Scans of gray layer also to be taken to add to information base.
- DSC analysis of red/gray chips focusing on exothermic/endothermic reactions near 400 degrees C. Some chips to be scanned in inert atmosphere and some in air or oxygen containing gas stream.
- SEM/EDX with elemental quantification of residual products of DSC analysis of red/gray chips.
- Optical images of reaction products after DSC experiments.
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Now:

It has been almost a full year since we posted our last update, and some of our readers were starting to express concern about the lack of new updates.

We are happy to report that Mark Basile´s red/gray chip study is finally back on track, after prolonged delays due to various problems that will not be detailed here. I am sure, however, that most of our supporters knew and realized from the beginning that encountering some "friction" was not unexpected.

Mark Basile will (in addition to his own testing) delegate work to an independent lab (or several labs) sometime this fall, in order to confirm his own results - as promised in our fundraising campaign.

We hope to give you another update in early October.

Thank you all for your donations and patience!
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Can anyone spot the shift in the study? :rolleyes:
 
It's now officially mid-October and no progress report. You'd think Ziggi would at least post an new excuse.
 
ProBonoShill said:
How *********** difficult is it to get a simple study done? :confused::confused::confused:
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Not difficult at all. It would take a couple of weeks at the most to arrange, agree fees, carry out and then report. Just ask a lab to find out what the material is as cheaply as possible.

A lab would do a quick visual study, then straight into the SEM to have a closer look. Then use EDX on the layers and the particles in the red layer. That would tell them the material is paint adhered to steel. Wouldn't take a day, someone getting a move on could do it in half a day for one chip. Then they'd probably contact the submitter with a brief email giving details and then ask if they wanted to fund further study (FTIR) to identify the carbon based matrix and whether they want further conformation of particle type using other methods.

I think Basile fears being found out.
 
Sunstealer said:
Not difficult at all. It would take a couple of weeks at the most to arrange, agree fees, carry out and then report. Just ask a lab to find out what the material is as cheaply as possible.

A lab would do a quick visual study, then straight into the SEM to have a closer look. Then use EDX on the layers and the particles in the red layer. That would tell them the material is paint adhered to steel. Wouldn't take a day, someone getting a move on could do it in half a day for one chip. Then they'd probably contact the submitter with a brief email giving details and then ask if they wanted to fund further study (FTIR) to identify the carbon based matrix and whether they want further conformation of particle type using other methods.

I think Basile fears being found out.
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No not Basile he is so dedicated to the truth.:jaw-dropp
 
DGM said:
It has been almost a full year since we posted our last update, and some of our readers were starting to express concern about the lack of new updates.

We are happy to report that Mark Basile´s red/gray chip study is finally back on track, after prolonged delays due to various problems that will not be detailed here. I am sure, however, that most of our supporters knew and realized from the beginning that encountering some "friction" was not unexpected.
Mark Basile will (in addition to his own testing) delegate work to an independent lab (or several labs) sometime this fall, in order to confirm his own results - as promised in our fundraising campaign.

We hope to give you another update in early October.

Thank you all for your donations and patience!
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Nice! Just ambiguous enough to give the impression they were harassed by The Powers That Be.
 
Seriously? Nothing yet? this is embarrassing for all his supporters.

It's almost as lame as the nonexistent followup from Jones et al., which they promised waaaay back in 2009!!

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And just as I had concluded that there would not come a response from Mark Basile, here it is, fresh in my inbox as I was writing the original version of this post:
Mark Basile said:
Gentlemen,

I am working on this project still. Results will be made public when ready and not sooner.

If anyone thinks I am going to ruin my reputation over a sum which is close to, but never actually even reached $5000 they are wrong.

All funds are safe and untouched.

If your patience is expired then I suggest you initiate your own study.


Mark
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Oystein said:
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And just as I had concluded that there would not come a response from Mark Basile, here it is, fresh in my inbox as I was writing the original version of this post:
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Why would someone working so slow it's like watching a dead snail race, try anyone's patience?

The Basile study is over, before it began either that or they will try to sneek in some paint
Chips they modified, I know longer trust Basile too little to late and no real reason for it.
 
If anyone thinks I am going to ruin my reputation over a sum which is close to, but never actually even reached $5000 they are wrong
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Not producing anything despite a long time working at it is exactly one criticism truthers level at NIST, and one reason why they have no regard for NIST's reputation.

Basile IS damaging his reputation by being so slow.
 
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