Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

[chrismohr]

Glad to hear that Mark replied to you. I for one accept his answer that "I am working on this project still. Results will be made public when ready and not sooner." My limited contact with him (direct and indirect) does not give me reason to mistrust him. I guessed that his silence was motivated by not wanting to get a lot of noise from Debunker World, and not out of any intention to take the $5000 for himself. I say we wait for the results of this and any other study that may be in the pipeline, whenever they may arrive.

 

[Spanx]

I could be wrong but it sounds like Mark is working on his own "independent lab study"

If he is ? Surely he would know that the dust came from The WTC which rather defeats the object of the study.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I could be wrong but it sounds like Mark is working on his own "independent lab study"

If he is ? Surely he would know that the dust came from The WTC which rather defeats the object of the study.

Absolutely at this point he can't win a finding of no thermite and he is just another shill,
A finding of thermite, he has to show it could have done damage, or was intentionally
Created, neither of which is logical or indicated in the data.
Best he can hope for is an unresolvable out come.

 

[ProBonoShill]

Glad to hear that Mark replied to you. I for one accept his answer that "I am working on this project still. Results will be made public when ready and not sooner." My limited contact with him (direct and indirect) does not give me reason to mistrust him. I guessed that his silence was motivated by not wanting to get a lot of noise from Debunker World, and not out of any intention to take the $5000 for himself. I say we wait for the results of this and any other study that may be in the pipeline, whenever they may arrive.

Sorry but this is ridiculous, it doesn't take that long to commission a study, you more than anyone should know this.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Given that the chip selection process seems to be a black art, maybe Mark is having trouble finding the "right" chips. No point in commissioning a study of the "wrong" chips; Millette already did that.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Given that the chip selection process seems to be a black art, maybe Mark is having trouble finding the "right" chips. No point in commissioning a study of the "wrong" chips; Millette already did that.

Maybe he should employ a water witch, hear they can find anything with a forked willow
Branch, maybe that's what Harrit does.

 

[DGM]

Bump while Ziggi's around.

As he is the only one allowed to complicate with Mark, What's up? Maybe next year sometime?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Bump while Ziggi's around.

As he is the only one allowed to complicate with Mark, What's up? Maybe next year sometime?

Maybe after the sun expands into a red giant, then collapses to a white dwarf, then
Cools to a brown dwarf, and finally is swallowed by Sygnus 1, the black hole at the center of
the Milky Way Galaxy.
Maybe then Mark will attempt a simple inert gas test under N2 or Argon and put
the Harrit and Jones BS. Out of our misery.
Given the current attacks we have seen from truthers I only expect more
Of the same unreasonable circular arguments designed solely to confuse the gullible uninformed.

 

[ProBonoShill]

Bump while Ziggi's around.

As he is the only one allowed to complicate with Mark, What's up? Maybe next year sometime?

Good luck with that, Ziggi doesn't seem capable of answering even the most simple questions.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Good luck with that, Ziggi doesn't seem capable of answering even the most simple questions.

I'm pretty sure he is capable of answering more than he has, and it's revealing that he chooses not to. It's pretty much a joke at this point, I'd say. Basile is well into his second year of unexplained delay; the real issues are dirt simple and easily investigated, but Basile has left poor Ziggi dangling in the wind with nothing better than to pretend to have a debating point about what Mohr said about what Farrer said about what Harrit said.

 

[ozeco41]

Why do we need answers?

"They" are the ones making claims - about thermXte.

Their claim - their burden of proof.

And it is only relevant to WTC 9/11 in the context of CD - let them prove CD THEN - if they need thermXte in the hypothesis - we may need to discuss thermXte.

Until then it is moot.

 

[Oystein]

I received an email from Rick Shaddock today. Rick is banned here, so I will not post on his behalf, but some key points in his mail merit paraphrasing:

• The main page documenting the project progress no longer is markbasile.org but http://www.911experiments.org/WTCdust
• Quote: "The $5000 in funds have been raised. We are waiting for the transfer from the first project manager"
• The fundraiser was started by ANETA (that is: Rick) on November 1, 2012
• Ziggi is only self-proclaiming that he is "the only one authorized" to communicate for Basile.
• Ziggi did not donate to the project.
• Ziggi is an obstacle to the acceptance of a resulting study by the scientific community.
• Rick has left written and spoken messages to Mark Basile many times
• Basile must hire independent labs and present results, or return the $5000 funds.
• Basile has broken many promises.

Perhaps Ziggi can comment on these allegations.

 

[Oystein]

Awww check out http://markbasile.org/

 

[Ziggi]

I received an email from Rick Shaddock today. Rick is banned here, so I will not post on his behalf, but some key points in his mail merit paraphrasing:

• The main page documenting the project progress no longer is markbasile.org but http://www.911experiments.org/WTCdust
• Quote: "The $5000 in funds have been raised. We are waiting for the transfer from the first project manager"
• The fundraiser was started by ANETA (that is: Rick) on November 1, 2012
• Ziggi is only self-proclaiming that he is "the only one authorized" to communicate for Basile.
• Ziggi did not donate to the project.
• Ziggi is an obstacle to the acceptance of a resulting study by the scientific community.
• Rick has left written and spoken messages to Mark Basile many times
• Basile must hire independent labs and present results, or return the $5000 funds.
• Basile has broken many promises.

Perhaps Ziggi can comment on these allegations.

This is mostly BS. Rick was fired from AE911 a couple of years ago and now he has been asked to remove himself from this project, but he is not taking it well. I asked him to not contact me again and I don´t care what kind of rumors he spreads in a misguided effort to get some "revenge." I wish him well and encourage people to let him be.

As far as the study goes, nothing much has changed. Mr. Basile is still working on the study and he will give us an update when he is ready. The only possible change is that he will most likely give the next update when he is done with this round of testing and has some concrete results, instead of providing miniature updates at some specified intervals as had originally been planned.

Watch for news at 911debunkers.blogspot.com/

 

[DGM]

As far as the study goes, nothing much has changed.

Who appointed you spokesperson and are you in control of the money? If so are you going to return the money to Rick as it was his organisation that raised it and his wishes now are to do the study (now) or return it to the people that donated it.

 

[pgimeno]

• Rick has left written and spoken messages to Mark Basile many times

Well, you did, too, and you didn't get a reply.

 

[Oystein]

This is mostly BS. Rick was fired from AE911 a couple of years ago and now he has been asked to remove himself from this project, but he is not taking it well.

What has AE911 got to do with this? Nothing in the proposal, nothing in the fundraising announcements, nothing in Mark's status, nothing even in your and JM's communications over the last 3+ years ever hinted that AE911 has anything at all to do with this!?

I asked him to not contact me again and I don´t care what kind of rumors he spreads in a misguided effort to get some "revenge." I wish him well and encourage people to let him be.

Who appointed you, Ziggi, as gatekeeper, and when?

As far as the study goes, nothing much has changed. Mr. Basile is still working on the study and he will give us an update when he is ready. The only possible change is that he will most likely give the next update when he is done with this round of testing and has some concrete results, instead of providing miniature updates at some specified intervals as had originally been planned.

This is contrary to what most people undertstood to be a promise in August 2014, and also contrary to all of his study proposals, where the most Basile would do is to select specimens.

The entire heart and purpose of the proposal upon which donations were solicited and received is the promise that testing and and concrete results would be in the hands of independent laboratories! Basile most definitely is NOT independent!

Watch for news at 911debunkers.blogspot.com/

You have defrauded people, and have a lot to explain there!

Also, you are now implicating AE911 in this scientific and monetary fraud.

 

[Oystein]

Well, you did, too, and you didn't get a reply.

I got one reply eventually, saying, in essence: I haven't done a thing and will not tell you if, what and when I will do anything. I still have the money and plan to keep it despite my lack of effort.

Basile is now revealed to be part of a fraud. For 4+ years I have defended him. I am most deeply disappointed by this revelation of dishonesty.

 

[WilliamSeger]

I got one reply eventually, saying, in essence: I haven't done a thing and will not tell you if, what and when I will do anything. I still have the money and plan to keep it despite my lack of effort.

Basile is now revealed to be part of a fraud. For 4+ years I have defended him. I am most deeply disappointed by this revelation of dishonesty.

Since we're left with speculating, I'd bet even money that Basile realized that sending the "wrong" chips to a lab would be a disaster, so he decided he'd better do some probative testing first, and now he can't find any thermite.

 

[Oystein]

Since we're left with speculating, I'd bet even money that Basile realized that sending the "wrong" chips to a lab would be a disaster, so he decided he'd better do some probative testing first, and now he can't find any thermite.

That's my hunch, too.
And similarly, that's where Jeff Farrer entirely left da Twoof - when he couldn't find any elemental Al, only kaolin and perhaps calcium aluminates, in the very chips he presented in Harrit et al (2009).

If there is anything that scares Truthers, it's the actual truth.