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Any Updates on Mark Basile's Study?

I am still somewhat confident that he hasn't come around to mailing something of to labs - procrastination or real life issues, sth like that.
 
Wow, 4:33 suddenly got an entirely different meaning.

(ok ok, John Cage's is written 4'33")
 
pgimeno said:
Wow, 4:33 suddenly got an entirely different meaning.

(ok ok, John Cage's is written 4'33")
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I've never been a musical person.

A few of my friends are. I got pressured into "playing bass" during a Friday night round a friend's house after one of the lads had brought round a home built cajón. I was instructed to to "play" a note 4 times and then repeated for a total of 12 and then a different note 4 times to make up the 16. I think the 4 notes together are called a "bar". I know all about this music malarky you see. :p

After about 15 minutes I began to pick it up and this little impromptu jam session began to take form with a friend on the cajon, and two on guitar (one electric, the other acoustic).

All of a sudden things "clicked" and I could actually feel a cohesion; I could actually hear what the others were playing in time with what I was doing attempting. That brief felt time of cohesion was a very weird, but satisfying experience.

90 seconds after this point it all went "pear-shaped" as I played 5 notes to the bar. There was laughter all around.

Apparently the concentration on my face was a delight to watch as I tried to do something so rudimentary! I did indeed have my tongue out to the side and brow furrowed, like a child, whilst concentrating wholeheartedly on the timing.

There's more chance of me becoming competent with a musical instrument than seeing the results from Basile's study. Unless it's the triangle of course, which I mastered age 6 during a school nativity play.

Ting!
 
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Oystein said:
Too short, we are in for a longer haul.

Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QH4iErUxeE
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Sorry Oystein, Wagner’s Parsifal is a 4.5 hr long haul bore, too many notes.

“I have been told that Wagner's music is better than it sounds.”
-- Mark Twain, Autobiography (1924)

“That kind of opera that starts at six o'clock and after it has been going three hours you look at your watch and it says 6.20.”
-- David Randolph on Wagner's opera Parzifal (Parsifal)

Don’t even ask Nietzsche’s assessment.

The haul is over; Humes’ Proportional Evidence Law has proven all of the Truther’s paranoid fantasies wrong.

New suckers are born every day and their pipsqueak opinions will plague humanity like fleas do.

Short and rock ‘n roll is all that’s left.

Thanks for your help on the thermite issue.
 
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pgimeno said:
Wow, 4:33 suddenly got an entirely different meaning.

(ok ok, John Cage's is written 4'33")
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Speaking of John Cage, they are performing his Organ²/ASLSP ("As SLow As Possible") as I write, in Halberstadt, Germany. The performance began on September 5, 2001 with a pause of 17 months. "The last note change occurred on October 5, 2013. The next change will not occur until 2020. The performance is scheduled to end on September 5, 2640."WP
http://www.aslsp.org/de/

That's the fitting musical score. It's only eight pages of music!
I am sure even Sunstealer could learn to play it on the go. :D
 
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DGM said:
Funny how not a single "truther" is looking for full transparency. :rolleyes:
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Three and two days ago, two truthers at 911Blogger inquired about the progress:

dtg86: ?
dtg86 said:
Is there activity with this? Anyone know? One update last August '14. Was an independent lab able to be chosen? anything? aborted?

just curious..

tx
dtg
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RL McGee: "What's the latest?"
RL McGee said:
Do you know if Mark has subjected any samples to labs yet for testing? His 5 K fundraiser was achieved in Aug. of 2014. I haven't heard anything from AE about any results, so I assume it's still dragging on. Check out the pdf and links. http://www.markbasile.org/
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While we are waiting, I have to share this:




(The 10-hour version of "Hitler - Gangnam Style" isn't as well done at the seams)
 
Oystein,
FYI I performed a world premiere live of John Cage's "15 Domestic Minutes," which was great fun for all of us public radio geeks-- but something like 9 people at National Public Radio got fired the next day for airing it! I was Turntable 2 in Denver, playing randomly selected tracks with ten other DJs around the country at the same time.
The John Cage piece As Slow As Possible is a great way to ensure immortality in that his music is now guaranteed to be performed uninterrupted for centuries to come.
And yes, Sunstealer could have played my part.
 
Has Mark actually published the exact criteria he used (or will use) to select the correct chip?

Arguments I've seen lately seem to indicate you need to destroy the sample in order to know if it's right. How can you do an independent study if you never know if the sample is correct?

I doubt it but, maybe our resident "truther" representative Ziggi could answer this.
 
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DGM said:
Has Mark actually published the exact criteria he used (or will use) to select the correct chip?
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In his old lab proposal, he wrote:
Mark Basile said:
Sample Preparation:

- Red/gray chip separation using optical microscopy and magnetic attraction to assist in isolation of particles of interest.

- Optical images of collected particulates as collected at appropriate magnifications to record condition as collected.
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That's only the the two known criteria described by Harrit et al.


In his latest, August 2014, report, he wrote:
Mark Basile said:
Once visual screening and sorting is completed the red/gray chips will be evaluated for the presence of reactivity with production of molten iron. ... The goal here is to find the best candidates for outside facility work.

The thermal screen test has been changed from my early system which was a stainless steel resistive heater strip that could heat the particles being screened, to a small tube furnace where the chips in a container are heated to 450 degrees C in air or nitrogen.
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Sooo what he said in the 2012 radio interview - you can tell the "right" chips by their reactivity. However, the obvious problem here is that after the heat test, the specimen is destroyed... No explanation how he would deal with this.

However, Rick Shaddock has told me in private emails that thermal testing is off the schedule. I believe this refers to tests proposed to be done by the labs after selection. Not sure.
 
Mark Basile said:
The goal here is to find the best candidates for outside facility work.
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This basically says it all. There is always the "wrong chip" out because there is no way to determine if the chip is correct unless the results confirm the intended conclusion (or "truthers" have total faith in Basile).

I'd be interested to see if Ziggi also sees this as a fatal flaw in the independence of this study.
 
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DGM said:
This basically says it all. There is always the "wrong chip" out because there is no way to determine if the chip is correct unless the results confirm the intended conclusion (or "truthers" have total faith in Basile).

I'd be interested to see if Ziggi also sees this as a fatal flaw in the independence of this study.
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I'd be interested to see if Ziggi also sees themal testing as a necessary step of the chip selection process, a criterion that no researcher can do without. And then if he agrees that Harrit et al never subjected chips a-d and the MEK chip to thermal testing (or failed to document that they did). It would be very interesting to see if Ziggi also sees this failure as a terminal flaw of the Harrit et al paper, instantly invalidating all results and conclusions, for they may very well have looked at the "wrong" chips all along.
 
It's hilarious if truthers think that heating a chip up to 700°C in order to get the correct exotherm, thereby destroying it in the process, is some how a necessary step in selecting the "right" chip.

How do they expect an independent lab to do work on a "the right sort" of chip when it has been destroyed?
 
Well, it's August and Basile's donors still don't even have an excuse for why there's been no progress report in the past year. Is anyone sure that Basile is still around, or did the NWO disappear him?
 
Mark took a remedial physics class and figured out his claims on 911 were idiotic BS based on ... idiotic BS, a recursive kind of ignorance. So he dropped the study, and drank the money...
 
WilliamSeger said:
Well, it's August and Basile's donors still don't even have an excuse for why there's been no progress report in the past year. Is anyone sure that Basile is still around, or did the NWO disappear him?
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Ziggi must have read your plea - or he even reacted very quickly to an email that I wrote Rick Shaddock (Cc: JM Talboo, Mark Basile) about 12.5 hours ago. Here is what he posted their (Ziggi's, JM's, Adam Taylor's...) blog "Debunking the Debunkers":

Mark Basile Red/Gray Chip Study Back on Track

Sounds good? Well... read the full text:
Ziggi Zugam said:
It has been almost a full year since we posted our last update, and some of our readers were starting to express concern about the lack of new updates.

We are happy to report that Mark Basile´s red/gray chip study is finally back on track, after prolonged delays due to various problems that will not be detailed here. I am sure, however, that most of our supporters knew and realized from the beginning that encountering some "friction" was not unexpected.

Mark Basile will (in addition to his own testing) delegate work to an independent lab (or several labs) sometime this fall, in order to confirm his own results - as promised in our fundraising campaign.

We hope to give you another update in early October.

Thank you all for your donations and patience!
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No word on what has been done. No word on when they will send samples. No word on if they have selected any specimens. No word on if they have selected any lab. No word on if and how the testing protocol has been changed from the original proposal (cue Rick, blabbing about this - I paraphrase - 'new (invented in the 1940s) Raman spectroscopy that Mark is looking into')

In other words: "Nothing has been done in one year. Sorry for procrastinating. The money looked real pretty in our bank account, thanks for throwing it at us!"

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Quite revealing of the truther mindset is this sentence: "Mark Basile will ... delegate work to an independent lab ... in order to confirm his own results".
The objective therefore is not analyze the red material and establish once and for all what it really is, and all its constituents (the identity of the organic binder, the identity of all the pigments, the exact composition of the gray oxidize structural steel layer) - no, the objective os to confirm their silly prejudice. They still don't grasp that among Mark's results was that he determined that the Al- and Fe- content is so extremely low (under 2 and 3%, respectively), compared to the organic content (>70%), that the observed exotherm reaction (the energy yield) must have been fulled to >99% by organic combustion on air - not a thermite reaction
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Perhaps Ziggi, when he reads this, can elaborate a bit on all the great things Mark hasn't done! :D
 
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