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Anti-Muslim Terrorist Attack in... NZ?

Darat said:
I don't think anyone would disagree with what you are saying. There isn't any simple answer or solution. I think all we can do is to try to ensure everyone gets a good balanced education so they know that if they don't follow what person X says or religion X says they can't be forced in our societies to follow that person or religion. It's anything but a perfect solution and where we place lines in legislation and the like is always going to be quite arbitrary and can be challenged and will change over time as cultures and societies change.
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That's fair. For instance, when it comes to "gets a good balanced education", homeschooling becomes an issue wherein parents can indoctrinate their children into their religion and ideology without giving them access to outside sources of information. Yet I can see arguments for giving people the freedom to educate their own children in ways that they consider appropriate.

As you say it's complicated, I don't really know where I stand on any of these sorts of issues, and my comment really was meant to convey only that, that I don't think the issue is as simple as either side tends to portray it.
 
Just to get back onto the actual subject for a moment, a lot of schools are holding collections for Chch this week, mostly by having an entirely - but not deliberately - approriate, mufti day.
 
So did he forget to declare the rifle in his checked luggage or bring it with his carry-on? Both happen from time to time in the USA.
 
Ranb said:
So did he forget to declare the rifle in his checked luggage or bring it with his carry-on? Both happen from time to time in the USA.
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All I know is what's the article.
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Meanwhile, the cops seem to have found a lot of white supremacists they were ignoring until the attack, with a string of arrests across Chch, including one where the person whose house they were searching has died of what seem to be self-inflicted injuries.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111629288/arrests-after-police-raids-in-christchurch
 
The Atheist said:
All I know is what's the article.

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Meanwhile, the cops seem to have found a lot of white supremacists they were ignoring until the attack, with a string of arrests across Chch, including one where the person whose house they were searching has died of what seem to be self-inflicted injuries.



https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111629288/arrests-after-police-raids-in-christchurch
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You know how it goes, you buy a new car and then you see hundreds of your car on the road that you never noticed before and you wonder where all these cars have come from..
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Excellent work New Zealand :thumbsup: Keep using that militarized police force against teenagers who shared Tarrant's video and throw the full weight of the law at them. 14 years no hope of parole.

Meanwhile, your state of hyper-vigilance seems to be paying off. This stupid teenager ( probably a nazi ) actually uploaded a picture to his facebook of himself holding an airsoft gun and his facebook friends reacted appropriately and alerted the militarized police.

Just to be on the safe side the militarized police kicked in the doors of not only the kid but also those of his mother and grandparents, just to be on the safe side.

Lo and behold, an illegal firearm was discovered in the father's room, along with a large collection of World War II German memorabilia, including uniforms, pouches and helmets. Who else would have that stuff but a white supremacist nazi bastard amirite ?

Anyways the nazi father is no longer a problem, 'cause he's dead of "suspected" suicide.

Don't forget those people who shared/viewed that manifesto.

"We are grateful to those who alerted police on this occasion and encourage people to remain vigilant."
 
A post dripping with irony:

Stout said:
Excellent work New Zealand :thumbsup: Keep using that militarized police force against teenagers who shared Tarrant's video and throw the full weight of the law at them. 14 years no hope of parole.

Meanwhile, your state of hyper-vigilance seems to be paying off. This stupid teenager ( probably a nazi ) actually uploaded a picture to his facebook of himself holding an airsoft gun and his facebook friends reacted appropriately and alerted the militarized police.

Just to be on the safe side the militarized police kicked in the doors of not only the kid but also those of his mother and grandparents, just to be on the safe side.

Lo and behold, an illegal firearm was discovered in the father's room, along with a large collection of World War II German memorabilia, including uniforms, pouches and helmets. Who else would have that stuff but a white supremacist nazi bastard amirite ?

Anyways the nazi father is no longer a problem, 'cause he's dead of "suspected" suicide.

Don't forget those people who shared/viewed that manifesto.

"We are grateful to those who alerted police on this occasion and encourage people to remain vigilant."
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So the guy was a totally harmless history buff, and the police were overreacting, right?

A former Russian soldier who feared going back (!) to prison tried to call his son before dying of a suspected suicide following a three-hour standoff with police.
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Police Commissioner Mike Bush said police found a number of firearms at the property(...)
After establishing his identity, police told the 16-year-old he was going to be arrested for possession of ammunition and a firearm in his room.
He said the firearm in his room was an 8 millimetre blank pistol. The other gun, found in his father's room was an illegal, modified SKS semi-automatic, he said.
Also in the house was his father's large collection of World War II German memorabilia, including uniforms, pouches and helmets.
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He said his father, who had previously spent time in prison for assault, was worried about going back to prison for possessing the illegal firearm.
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Google's home page ribbon today is pretty cool
 

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dann said:
A post dripping with irony:

So the guy was a totally harmless history buff, and the police were overreacting, right?
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Once again, our friend posts what he thinks is a big "gotcha" purely off a cursory reading of a headline without reading the body of the article

How adorable... and embarrassing.
 
dann said:
A post dripping with irony:




So the guy was a totally harmless history buff, and the police were overreacting, right?
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So kicking the doors of multiple properties over a facebook photo is a good thing, right ? Maybe we'll get lucky and find out this "suspected suicide" was really a police sniper bullet to the head.
 
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