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Merged Anthrax Case Solved?

Also, the statement that "there won't be any trial" presupposes that there will be no other evidence that might lead to another suspect. Again, the CT camp is presupposing that they know the answer, in the absence of evidence.

I'm with those who are waiting this out to see what happens. Heck, all the evidence that may or may not have been collected has not been released at this point, anyway. That won't come out until a trial, generally. For all we know they may have 2,000 pages hand-writen by Irvins where he describes his nefarious plot...or they may have nothing. I don't know, and (unlike the CTers) I don't pretend to.
 
Just now:

The chief judge of Washington's federal courthouse has unsealed hundreds of pages of documents in the FBI's nearly seven-year investigation of anthrax mailings that killed five people.

The move Wednesday morning by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth came after consultation with Amy Jeffress, a national security prosecutor at Justice, and as FBI Director Robert Mueller prepared to brief the families of anthrax victims on details of the case.

The documents that Lamberth authorized to be released include more than a dozen search warrants aimed at Army microbiologist Bruce Ivins, whom federal investigators were closing in on as he committed suicide last week.

Ivins' lawyer maintains the brilliant but troubled scientist would have been proved innocent had he lived. And some of Ivins' friends and former co-workers at the Fort Detrick biological warfare lab in Frederick, Md., say they doubt he could or would have unleashed the deadly toxin.
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Links when available. C-Span is working on getting the documents online, as are others.
 
Please stop with the CT accusations.

The FBI does not have a good record of playing fair and it is certainly not out of character for them to use smear in order to achieve an objective (i.e. closing a case).

From what I've seen so far, this is nothing more than a smear. It might turn out that it really is him, but so far the only thing I've seen (originating from them) is unsupported smearing allegations.

On the other side I see strong refutation by friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers, as well as logical and physical evidence to the contrary.

I'll keep an open mind but I'm going to presume him innocent. I don't buy the 'news' presented thus far.

As a final edit: I reiterate that they may have their culprit, but I'm not going to believe it simply because they (the FBI) sez so, and nor for the reason that a Grand Jury indicted (ham sandwich reference omitted).
 
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Rob Lister said:
Please stop with the CT accusations.

The FBI does not have a good record of playing fair and it is certainly not out of character for them to use smear in order to achieve an objective (i.e. closing a case).

From what I've seen so far, this is nothing more than a smear. It might turn out that it really is him, but so far the only thing I've seen (originating from them) is unsupported smearing allegations.

On the other side I see strong refutation by friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers, as well as logical and physical evidence to the contrary.

I'll keep an open mind but I'm going to presume him innocent. I don't buy the 'news' presented thus far.


As a final edit: I reiterate that they may have their culprit, but I'm not going to believe it simply because they (the FBI) sez so, and nor for the reason that a Grand Jury indicted (ham sandwich reference omitted).
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Amen to that. And judging by some of the recent coverage, not everyone is buying into it.
 
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Profanz said:
Yes I’ve been wondering the same thing. Where are all the anti-conspiracy idiots on this story? I posted early in this thread and got nothing. I think this whole story embarrasses them and the commitment they have painted themselves into a corner on regarding this administration and all of the apologizing they have done for it surrounding 9/11 over the last few years.

They don’t want any part of it. It flies in the face of everything they have been supporting about 9/11, the governments investigations, and it's conclusions.
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You have hit the nail on the head!! :)
 
Rob Lister said:
From what I've seen so far, this is nothing more than a smear. It might turn out that it really is him, but so far the only thing I've seen (originating from them) is unsupported smearing allegations.

On the other side I see strong refutation by friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers, as well as logical and physical evidence to the contrary.
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So far everything is a rumor, but not all of it is positive for Ivins. There are reports of psychiatric issues, substance abuse, infatuation with members of a particular sorority. All we know for a fact is that he is dead from an apparent suicide and that the therapist took out a restraining order. Are you asserting that the therapist made up the charges, perhaps under direction of her FBI overlords? Or she just likes taking out restraining orders for fun?
 
Pardalis said:
Speculation again. How do you know he's been falsely accused? Again, you imply to know more than most people, but you don't know anything more than anyone.
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And how does anyone know that he has been rightfully accused?
 
Some of the more damning evidence is his late night and weekend stints in the B3 suite where the anthrax was, unsupervised, right before both of the mailings.

The first one started in mid-August!

There is a lot of info in there. Some of it seems weird if seen alone (the postal envelopes in particular is a loose argument), but not all of the evidence has that much wiggle room.
 
gdnp said:
So far everything is a rumor, but not all of it is positive for Ivins. There are reports of psychiatric issues, substance abuse, infatuation with members of a particular sorority. All we know for a fact is that he is dead from an apparent suicide and that the therapist took out a restraining order. Are you asserting that the therapist made up the charges, perhaps under direction of her FBI overlords? Or she just likes taking out restraining orders for fun?
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I could see a situation where this woman was targeted by the FBI in view of her past record, fed a load of tripe, and maybe genuinely frightened (by their assertions) filed for a restraining order. It doesn't make her assertions true.
 
Oxigen said:
I could see a situation where this woman was targeted by the FBI in view of her past record, fed a load of tripe, and maybe genuinely frightened (by their assertions) filed for a restraining order. It doesn't make her assertions true.
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So you are speculating that the FBI coerced this woman into fabricating stories about Ivins plans to kill coworkers? Based on what evidence?
 
gdnp said:
So far everything is a rumor, but not all of it is positive for Ivins. There are reports of psychiatric issues, substance abuse, infatuation with members of a particular sorority. All we know for a fact is that he is dead from an apparent suicide and that the therapist took out a restraining order. Are you asserting that the therapist made up the charges, perhaps under direction of her FBI overlords? Or she just likes taking out restraining orders for fun?
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everything you pointed out that was NOT in support of Ivins was, and will remain, smear until such time as there is evidence to support it.

Please link to the "therapist" evidence.
 
Profanz said:
Speculation? The one they falsely accused is Steven Hatfield who worked at the same location where the FBI has claimed the new DNA evidence came from. How do I know he was falsely accused? Just a hunch from the 5.8 million they paid him for falsely accusing him.
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Sorry you are wrong here, you need to go and read up on the case. The FBI never named him as a suspect, the closest they came too it was saying that he was one of a dozen or so people of interest. It was the Attorney General, John Ashcroft who said that Hatfill was a suspect, something that he should not have said either, and it was that statment and the way the DoJ handled the inquiry and tran the FBI during it that was the main reason for the case. The case was against Ashcroft and the DoJ with the FBI being lesser defendants, there not because they named him a suspect, but because under Ashcroft's orders they were alleged to have violated Hatfill's constitutional rights in the way the investigated him (ie bugging phones and circulating his photo.)
 
gdnp said:
So you are speculating that the FBI coerced this woman into fabricating stories about Ivins plans to kill coworkers? Based on what evidence?
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I said fed her stories, which she believed and maybe honestly reported. She has admitted being in contact with them before the restraining order. Where is she now?

Read the news, his coworkers are all standing up for him!!
 
Considering she was "scared" of him, and he was released on the 16th, it seems odd it would take her 8 days to get around to the restraining order(24th)

I guess she decided he would be OK till then:)
 
roundhead said:
Considering she was "scared" of him, and he was released on the 16th, it seems odd it would take her 8 days to get around to the restraining order(24th)

I guess she decided he would be OK till then:)
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We (thinking people) also wonder about that!
 
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