CapelDodger
Penultimate Amazing
Yes, yes, its warming here, cooling there just as it always has.
If you're referring to seasonal changes you're right. Summer is warmer than winter outside the tropics. Over the longer term (decades) the world is warming everywhere in a way that it hasn't done before.
However, as you have hung your hat on the Arctic, lets concentrate there. Despite all the news hype and "scientists" warning of an ice free arctic even this year ...
They did? That news must have been suppressed where I live because these predictions of an ice-free Arctic this year are new to me. Do you recall where you heard them?
what is happening there now? As you like to say, stop clinging to the past.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1032348ee3d9d666ed.jpg
Days are getting shorter in the Arctic and the Sun is lower in the sky, so the Arctic is cooling and sea-ice is forming. It happens every year about this time; it's to do with Earth's axial tilt with respect to its orbital plane.
I don't recall what evidence you've given that rising CO2 levels as being the cause of Arctic ice melt, particularly 2007. You wouldn't happen to have it?
For ice to melt, heat has to be introduced from somewhere. Since the Arctic has lost a great deal of ice over the last few decades it must have accumulated a great deal of heat. The only viable explanation for that is AGW (and in fact the loss of Arctic ice was predicted by AGW). 2007 may not have seen a particularly large loss of ice volume but it was preconditioned for a large ice extent response to particular weather conditions.
Met O has it down; when they blow a forecast, update the models to match reality, claim they are now correct and create new predictions so policy makers can make decisions based on them.
That's a damn' lie.
I've already stated several times Met O is relying on a strong SC24. Read their statements.
I have, and they're not.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2007/pr20070810.html
That sure sounds like they are assuming something about the sun.
They'll be assuming it comes up every day. Their model incorporates the solar cycle because it's intended for projections on that timescale, but it treats the next solar cycle as being just like any other. Which is to say, not very influential.
Now, if SC24 does not meet the projected changes, which if you'd bother checking was it would be off the charts, then that means they have an out if it fails to warm as predicted.
I followed this story back in 2007, when the short-term projection by a team of modellers at the Met Office was first announced ("Strap me," I thought, "That's bold. These are young scientists whose careers stretch way ahead of 2014, and they're putting their names to this. Big cojones.")
No assumptions about the upcoming solar cycle are made other than it will be normal. If you check you'll find this is true.
Well, it is off charts, but in the wrong direction. You say there is no solar connection, I say there is a strong connection.
I say there's a weak connection. Since the solar cycle was identified people have been searching for a climate signal, and it's been a long history of failure. Recent claims to have found such a signal have yet to stand the test of time. If there were a strong connection the signal would have been found long ago. There have been 23 solar cycles to find it in, after all, and even without reference to solar cycle, a regular 10-11 year climate cycle would be part of farmers' lore from way back - but it isn't.
Correlation is not causation, however causation must have correlation.
Quite. That's where the search for the solar cycle's climate signal has always fallen down. There's an hypothesised causation, but no obvious correlation.
You discount ENSO ...
Far from discounting ENSO I'm looking forward to the next sustained El Nino, which will put '98 in deep shade. Not because I enjoy an El Nino but because you guys will have to explain it away.
... yet it is very easy to see PDO shifts are dominated by ENSO events. During warm cycles, El Nino dominates. During cold cycles, La Nina does. Now that NASA has announced the PDO has switched to the negative phase, one should expect fewer El Nino events. Maybe you missed it:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1032348ead44a52c31.gif
Expect away. A sustained El Nino will occur in the next two-to-seven years; I suggest you start preparing your excuses.
I'm not too concerned about the 'big bad analogue' model. I don't drive a model T Ford or use punch cards for an 9600 baud IBM teletype either.
That's a model example of non sequitur.