Another unarmed black man shot

zooterkin said:


Why should black people have to fear being shot by the police when white people don't?
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They shouldn't. And they probably wouldn't if the police shooting of a black person didn't attract an order of magnitude more attention than the police shooting of anybody else. Being shot by a policeman while not committing a serious crime is an irrational fear. It is utterly dwarfed by other risks in life, even for black people. In fact, and this is rather ironic, it is likely the case that the pressure on the police to be less aggressive in their policing of black communities has increased the risk of being shot for people in those communities, rather than decreased it.
 
sunmaster14 said:
They shouldn't. And they probably wouldn't if the police shooting of a black person didn't attract an order of magnitude more attention than the police shooting of anybody else. Being shot by a policeman while not committing a serious crime is an irrational fear. It is utterly dwarfed by other risks in life, even for black people. In fact, and this is rather ironic, it is likely the case that the pressure on the police to be less aggressive in their policing of black communities has increased the risk of being shot for people in those communities, rather than decreased it.
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Of course the policeman being shot in a traffic stop is an irrational fear, but they seem to act on it a lot.
 
COLONEL said:
Just my two cents worth, when the cops tell you not to move and you keep moving, then you drop one arm and reach into your vehicle, how are they supposed to react? The guy could have been reaching for a weapon. Bottom line do what the police tell you.
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How about they don't kill the victim? How about they try to help him out?

How about "Oh, let's get your vehicle off the road, I'll contact the nearby nearby tow truck, and stay here with my lights on to make sure that nobody hits you?"

Wouldn't that be a much better reaction than "Oh, I can't see his hand SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!"
 
zooterkin said:


Why should black people have to fear being shot by the police when white people don't?
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I believe it is an irrational fear being hyped. What are the odds of being shot by the police when you are not doing anything illegal? Do you have the stats by race?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Of course the policeman being shot in a traffic stop is an irrational fear, but they seem to act on it a lot.
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It's part of their training to reduce the risk. It is perhaps true that they are overcompensating. Do you think that the police killing of 1,000 people per year (with less than 25% of those people being unarmed) is so high that police should accept greater risk in order to avoid fatal mistakes? Roughly 40 police die each year due to the actions of criminals. Where would you like to see the balance? Perhaps only 500 people killed per year with 80 police dying? I could accept that, although we might have to pay our police better.
 
sunmaster14 said:
It's part of their training to reduce the risk. It is perhaps true that they are overcompensating. Do you think that the police killing of 1,000 people per year (with less than 25% of those people being unarmed) is so high that police should accept greater risk in order to avoid fatal mistakes? Roughly 40 police die each year due to the actions of criminals. Where would you like to see the balance? Perhaps only 500 people killed per year with 80 police dying? I could accept that, although we might have to pay our police better.
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Black Lives Matter "Gets it", Colin Kapaernick "Gets it", people all over the country and other parts of the world "Get it"....but you and your ilk make sure that you don't "Get it". But that's o.k...because you are going to "Get it" whether you want it, or not. The protests are not going to away: they are going to continue. People will not be silenced. The more you fight it, the bigger it will get.

Yours Truely,

Harry Seldon
 
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eeyore1954 said:
I believe it is an irrational fear being hyped. What are the odds of being shot by the police when you are not doing anything illegal? Do you have the stats by race?
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The arrest rate per year is about 4 per 100 people. So, in a country of 320 million, you're talking about 12.8 million arrests, and 1,000 people killed, per year. So, about a 0.008% chance of being killed by a policeman during an arrest. It's got to be a lower probability for a single encounter rather than an actual arrest, and I imagine even lower than that if you're actually innocent of committing a crime. And don't forget to scale down the numbers by a factor of 4 if you're not carrying a weapon.

So, no, it's not terribly risky to have an encounter with police in general.
 
logger said:
I was so hoping that electing the uniter in-chief Barrack Hussein Obama would help our race relations. :rolleyes:
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Pay close attention to this.

Think about it.

Obama's job was to "help our race relations".

How was he supposed to do that? Isn't the real problem that racists are freaking out at his presidency? Honestly, I was expecting a white supremacist to shoot at him, and I thought 2012 would be the ugliest presidential campaign in my life (we actually hit that mark in 2011, thank you Donald Trump).
 
sunmaster14 said:
It's part of their training to reduce the risk. It is perhaps true that they are overcompensating. Do you think that the police killing of 1,000 people per year (with less than 25% of those people being unarmed) is so high that police should accept greater risk in order to avoid fatal mistakes? Roughly 40 police die each year due to the actions of criminals. Where would you like to see the balance? Perhaps only 500 people killed per year with 80 police dying? I could accept that, although we might have to pay our police better.
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There is a question of how often they plant weapons.

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/7492/

Seems to be not too uncommon for videos we have of police shootings.
 
Jules Galen said:
Black Lives Matter "Gets it", Colin Kapaernick "Gets it", people all over the country and other parts of the world "Get it"....but you and your ilk make sure that you don't "Get it". But that's o.k...because you are going to "Get it" whether you want it, or not. The protests are not going to away: they are going to continue. People will not be silenced. The more you fight it, the bigger it will get.
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What is it that I don't get? Irrational thinking? BLM is more about scapegoating and grievance mongering than it is about oppression or social justice. Like the Occupy Wall Street movement before it, it will peter out because it is predicated on a myth, and the ultimate goal is unachieveable largely because it is paradoxical. If the goal is to make black people safer by reducing their risk of being killed by the police, then it will be necessary for the police to stop policing black communities. In which case, black people will be at greater risk of crime, poverty, and violence.
 
ponderingturtle said:
There is a question of how often they plant weapons.

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/7492/

Seems to be not too uncommon for videos we have of police shootings.
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I'm sure that it's happened before, but do you really think that police carry some non-standard issue guns and knives with them just in case they need to plant something at the scene of a police shooting? It seems unlikely that such malicious pre-planning would distort the statistics overly much.
 
ponderingturtle said:
There is a question of how often they plant weapons.

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/7492/

Seems to be not too uncommon for videos we have of police shootings.
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Think that is bad, here is a video of a New Orleans Cop setting a kid up to murder him (thank Gawd he chickened out):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=infFi0FKris

The Cop was fired that day - No Union - No Formal Review - No Nothing. And he never appealed.

What surprised me was that few people saw what was really happening when that guy parked behind the kid's car, opened his trunk and took out two guns. Show how little people know about violence. Man...if any video ever screamed "Murder", then this is it.
 
Upchurch said:
Yes, they've been this bad the whole time. The problems just didn't have the lime light in a long time.
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Like hillary said when speaking to "white people"

"This just isn't who we are"

That's a fascinating statement. As if white people condone cops shooting blacks for no reason even black cops seem to get caught up in it. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Of course her saying that should give the race baiters and the libs a clue, that cops shooting blacks actually isn't about race, its about staying alive.

No mention of the black war against other blacks.
 
Mumbles said:
Pay close attention to this.

Think about it.

Obama's job was to "help our race relations".

How was he supposed to do that? Isn't the real problem that racists are freaking out at his presidency? Honestly, I was expecting a white supremacist to shoot at him, and I thought 2012 would be the ugliest presidential campaign in my life (we actually hit that mark in 2011, thank you Donald Trump).
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Cops killing black criminals so they can go home at night is racists freaking out?
Even the black cops are in on the freaking out?

You simply live in denial, not a critical thought what so ever.
 
I'll say it again, these cop shootings will never end. The only way it will slow is if cops back out of the cities (as they are doing) and allow the criminals to take over, which is happening.

Cops are going to do what they have to do to survive, liberals can live in denial all they like. No amount of training is going to force a cop to second guess. How in the *********** hell do some of you not get this?
 
eeyore1954 said:
What are the odds of being shot by the police when you are not doing anything illegal? Do you have the stats by race?
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Statistics on shootings by police in the United States are notoriously hard to acquire. If police departments hiding such data were treated the same way as black people hiding their hands they would be shot.
 
logger said:
I'll say it again, these cop shootings will never end. The only way it will slow is if cops back out of the cities (as they are doing) and allow the criminals to take over, which is happening.
Cops are going to do what they have to do to survive, liberals can live in denial all they like. No amount of training is going to force a cop to second guess. How in the *********** hell do some of you not get this?
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Prove it. If what you say is right then their ought to be evidence.
 
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