Another terrorist attack - London Bridge

William Parcher said:
CNN is reporting that ISIS is claiming responsibility. It's probably true.

But are there any Muslim terror attacks that aren't related to ISIS? They all seem to either be trained by them or pledge allegiance to them. Are there any attacking Muslim terrorists who have denounced ISIS or verbally distanced themselves? Does anyone say, "ISIS had nothing to do with me (us) or what I (we) just did"?
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Yes.
 
Fox news take just now, politicians aren't doing enough, empty promises, yadda yadda, ... Brexit.

Trump is doing the same ignorant thing, another attack, ban Muslims from countries no immigrant terrorists have come from.

Bigotry will solve the problem, yessiree. Those libruls are too PC, that's the problem.

I'm sorry guys but that is plain pure ignorance.

We need Muslims on our side. The more bigotry the fewer Muslims are going to turn in the extremists in their midst.

Look at the FBI response to school shooters. No it wasn't perfect or foolproof. But what they did was first, do a thorough investigation of the shooters, circumstances, warning signs, intervention opportunities missed, etc.

A thorough assessment is what is needed, not bigotry which has never been shown to work. I'm sorry if you blame or hate immigrants or Muslims. No one blamed all school children for school shooters. Trumps immigration ban is a joke. Brexit is not going to stop homegrown terrorists. These guys are being recruited on the Net and that is where we need to take the war against them.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
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How many of these do people really believe Europeans will tolerate before the iron fist comes down? I personally think the iron fist of xenophobic overreaction is long overdue and sorely needed. I have no doubt it will arrive eventually though.
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You do get points for honesty.

A phobia is "an irrational fear", and an "overreaction" is "to react or respond more strongly than is necessary or appropriate."

So you are describing an irrational, inappropriate reaction.

I don't understand why you would be such a strong advocate of the irrational and inappropriate, but I guess that's just the way your sort of bigot views things.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
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A thorough assessment is what is needed, not bigotry which has never been shown to work
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I think if we are being honest we have to acknowledge that it could help. Mass incarceration likely contributed to the reduction in crime in the US and mass expulsion would probably reduce terrorism.

I mean, we can't have a legitimate coversation without acknowledging the Holocaust probably reduced the total number of crimes committed by Jewish people.
 
Vixen said:
That's a straw man as I never said, 'Christian terrorism can never happen again'.

It happened some 500 years in the past and it is silly to use Christianity as an example of 'religious terrorism', just because you hate all religions.
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The simple fact that you can say that is all the evidence anyone needs that you are woefully ignorant of both facts and history.

Simply Googling "Christian terrorism" should get you started on what is obviously a much needed education. It's as easy as that.

From the inception of the KKK to a shooting at a Planned Parenthood less than two years ago that left three dead and nine wounded the history of overt Christian terrorism is filled with examples. And that's just in the U.S., where it is arguably a far more immediate danger to innocent average citizens than Islamic terrorism has been in the last century and a half or so.

And then there's the foundation of state sponsored terrorism this country was built on. Massachusetts hung a man for the crime of being a Quaker. That was less than 500 years ago. It was events like that which persuaded extremely devout Christians of the time that a clear separation of church and state was a vital part of our Constitution. It wasn't just or even mostly atheists and deists who were responsible for that. It was devout believers trying to forestall the wholesale persecution of Christian religious groups by other Christians, because of the persecution they were experiencing,

You should try and educate yourself before you make too many blanket statements like that one.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I think if we are being honest we have to acknowledge that it could help. Mass incarceration likely contributed to the reduction in crime in the US and mass expulsion would probably reduce terrorism.

I mean, we can't have a legitimate coversation without acknowledging the Holocaust probably reduced the total number of crimes committed by Jewish people.
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So banning and expelling people when the majority of the terror acts are committed by people born here is your 'honest' solution?

I take it my whole post just whooshed right by you. :rolleyes:
 
a_unique_person said:
Once again it appears that the culprits were already known to police and had been reported by the public including other Muslims. WTF is that about?
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Criteria singling out the 'will act' or 'are about to act' from the thousands of 'possibly could act' is desperately needed.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So banning and expelling people when the majority of the terror acts are committed by people born here is your 'honest' solution?

I take it my whole post just whooshed right by you. :rolleyes:
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It is an honest answer. Expelling Muslims from this country regardless of if they were born here, or commiting genocide against them, would probably solve the problem, be not PC, and would be based on bigotry.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It is an honest answer. Expelling Muslims from this country regardless of if they were born here, or commiting genocide against them, would probably solve the problem, be not PC, and would be based on bigotry.
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Expelling all Muslims from the USA would destroy America.
 
BobTheCoward said:
It is an honest answer. Expelling Muslims from this country regardless of if they were born here, or commiting genocide against them, would probably solve the problem, be not PC, and would be based on bigotry.
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Why not expel all students while we're at it? That would eliminate school shooters. :rolleyes:

How about all the pro-lifers? Surely that would end abortion clinic shooters and bombers.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I think if we are being honest we have to acknowledge that it could help. Mass incarceration likely contributed to the reduction in crime in the US and mass expulsion would probably reduce terrorism.

I mean, we can't have a legitimate coversation without acknowledging the Holocaust probably reduced the total number of crimes committed by Jewish people.
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Good point.

If we kill all Jews, there will be no more crimes committed by Jews.

Is this what you are getting at?
 
I find myself surprised by the US President's response. I know I shouldn't be, but it was still jarring to read. The tweets:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 15 hours ago
Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 16 hours ago
At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed!"

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 16 hours ago
We must stop being politically correct and get down to the business of security for our people. If we don't get smart it will only get worse

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Jun 3
Whatever the United States can do to help out in London and the U. K., we will be there - WE ARE WITH YOU. GOD BLESS!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Jun 3
We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!
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And then he went golfing. Also, he called it a travel ban, something that counters the official White House narrative and will help the ACLU in their lawsuits. Mayor Khan's people said he was too busy to deal with Trump.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Criteria singling out the 'will act' or 'are about to act' from the thousands of 'possibly could act' is desperately needed.
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Agreed. I imagine that this must be one of the most difficult duties an intelligence analyst (is that the right job title?) could have. I would think that an angry young Muslim guy venting a bit and watching some dodgy videos on the internet who'll never take it any further than that and an angry young Muslim guy doing those same things as a prelude to a terrorist act probably look and sound awfully similar.
 
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