Like I said that requires us to allow citizens to carry guns. Otherwise we'd have to have many accessible repositories of firearms for whenever a police officer decides they are now on-duty and can legally carry firearms.
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Like I said that requires us to allow citizens to carry guns. Otherwise we'd have to have many accessible repositories of firearms for whenever a police officer decides they are now on-duty and can legally carry firearms.
If this is the threat that needs to be addressed perhaps we should arm all the police with swords?
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While these idiots might have been sucked in by the ISIS cult, there are usually other issues with these losers.
Pulse: Shooter's alleged lover shows face
Despite the fact the FBI said they found no evidence Omar Mateen was secretly gay despite rumors he had used a gay dating ap, according to a witness on Investigation Discovery, the Orlando shooter was an oppressed gay man and the trigger for the shooting was an encounter with a gay man at The Pulse who said he forgot to tell Omar he was HIV positive until after their sexual encounter.
Pulse: Shooter's alleged lover shows face
Despite the fact the FBI said they found no evidence Omar Mateen was secretly gay despite rumors he had used a gay dating ap, according to a witness on Investigation Discovery, the Orlando shooter was an oppressed gay man and the trigger for the shooting was an encounter with a gay man at The Pulse who said he forgot to tell Omar he was HIV positive until after their sexual encounter.
No. As I said an off-duty policeman is not an ordinary citizen. He has duties that go above and beyond those of an ordinary citizen, duties which may also require him (her) to use a gun. As a result the police officer is allowed, but not required, to have a gun with him at all times where I come from - and our gun laws would make a stereotypical Democrat salivate.
Why would you need repositories is beyond me.
McHrozni
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As they do in the UK!
Off duty police officers still have to behave as police officers, and still have the powers of a police officer in the UK. This is true for many professions, doctors still have their legal authority to e.g. prescribe off duty, and still have to behave appropriately, e.g cannot have sex with a patient off duty.
My guess is if police were routinely armed in GB (they are routinely armed in NI), then weapons would be issued coming on duty and returned coming off duty. They would only be permitted to carry official weapons. In NI police did carry weapons off duty, but that was a personal protection weapon as they were subject to attack by the IRA.
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Pathetic to watch the politicians trying coming up with off-the-cuff platitudes about the solutions to Islamic terrorism. Some, like the SNP representative whoever he was, clearly had never even thought about it. When pressed repeatedly about what solutions he could put forwards for people like Butt, he eventually manages, "Er, we need to build stronger communities." Yeah, like the communities that harbour terrorists are not yet strong enough. They are without question the strongest communities in the UK, that's a big part of the problem, you idiot.
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Do you thinktthis would magically change under another?!!
The worst political grandstanding is from those attacking May for not preventing it, while they themselves abhor the idea of doing anything (Corbyn and his supporters).
In the UK we only have one type of citizens, not citizens with extra rights and powers (an office or job may grant someone additional responsibilities and legal powers) so when an off-duty police officer i.e. a citizen like me is off-duty he has no more rights or legal obligations than I do (excluding contractual employment matters).
No they don't.
No they don't.
That you have different classes of citizenship is your issue to deal with, thankfully (beyond of course the HRH abomination) we have only one class of citizen.
So that when a police officer suddenly decides she is back on duty she can grab a firearm.
funk de fino
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Have police numbers dropped in Scotland?
Prior to the attacks at the start of the campaign the Labour party had already pledged to increase police numbers, the Tories started campaigning with further reductions in police numbers.
funk de fino
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I have a feeling you have no idea how do professions in question work. These are not professions you leave behind when you come home, if you come across a situation that falls within your profession, you're supposed to help out whether it is within your contract or not.
Or if we turn it around, suppose an officer comes across a hot-tempered ******* he busted a few months ago, and the ******* holds a personal grudge against the officer in question and wants to stab him with a knife. Will the ******* in question have the courtesy to wait until the officer is on duty, or will he attack regardless? What will happen in most cases?
That's one of the reasons why permitting officers to carry weapons when off-duty isn't a bad idea. There are other ideas, such as the case in the OP and more.
If the officer is permitted to carry a weapon when off duty that's rather unnecessary, I think.
McHrozni
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I think you are wrong. The built up Muslim communities of East London, Birmingham and Yorkshire are NOT bottle-trhowing looters. It's important not to conflate the terrorism issue with some of the riots we have seen.
A few years ago a couple of cops knocked on my door and it was a friendly visit. They wanted to know if there was anything in my area that I had concerns about, and, despite living in what is often called 'the poor man's Hampstead' [Camden], I had no issues. Say this was Barking, I might have mentioned concerns of radicialisation in my Mosque, because you know, Muslims ARE reporting radicalisation to police, but many may be loath to actually pick up a phone.
I was surprised at how well-spoken the cops were (public school?) and true to urban myth, they were indeed very young, and awfully nice.
So that is another opportunity to shake off the myth cops are standoffish.
ETA In addition, a local college has signs in the lifts and toilets urging students to report radicalisation attempts.
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It could, especially if that government wasn't quite so tied to austerity.
Naturally there would have to be an associated change in spending priorities, increase in taxes, increase in the deficit or a combination of those things and it would take a certain amount of time until the additional police officers were recruited and trained....
Vixen
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As a chartered accountant I had to attend various seminars in my workplace and for CPD in respect of the new Money Laundering Regulations that came in circa 2007. A question that often came up was whether we were expected to report money laundering suspicions if overhearing a conversation at a party, for example, and the answer was , no, it is only mandatory within the course of one's work.
That's an accountant and money laundering. Those can (and do) have different rules than other trades.
McHrozni
I suspect we are going to have to agree to disagree whether we should have different classes of citizenship with different rights, you are for that, I am not.
You're well into loonytown with these "different classes of citizenship". We have different professions, which have different requirements, different obligations and therefore different rights. It has nothing to do with citizenship, that's Alex Jones level of argumentation.
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