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Another School Shooting

HansMustermann said:
Pacifier? Are you saying that he was telling his son to go suck on the barrel? :p
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I couldn't work that out either. I suspect the intended inference was either divorcing dad buys overgenerous gift to get son onside or dad buys age-inappropriate masculine gift for bullied son he fears isn't manly enough. Awaiting the next cryptic explanation
 
Contrast the responses of the shooter's mother and father. His father is questioned by authorities over accusations that his son has been threatening a mass shooting over Discord; he claims its not true, and then buys his son a school shooter special a few months later.

The shooter's mother did not live with the shooter and his father anymore after what sounds like a messy divorce. But the morning of the shooting, he sent his mother a vaguely worded text message that alarmed her so much that she immediately took as much action as she could in the situation.

“I’m sorry, mom,” the text read, according to Marcee Gray’s father, Charles Polhamus, who said he was standing near his daughter at his home in Fitzgerald, Georgia, when she received the message.

The mother called the school about an unspecified “extreme emergency” involving Colt sometime before the shooting began, Marcee Gray’s sister Annie Brown told the Washington Post and later confirmed to CNN.
From left: Richard Aspinwall, Cristina Irimie, Mason Schermerhorn and Christian Angulo, all of whom were killed in the Apalachee High School shooting in Winder, Georgia, on Wednesday.

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A 10-minute call was placed from Marcee Gray’s phone to the school at 9:50 a.m., the Washington Post reported – about 30 minutes before police were notified of the shooting.

According to the Post, Brown has a shared phone plan with the family, which allowed her to see a log of the calls made by her sister.

After a 10-minute phone conversation, Polhamus said, his daughter and her mother then began the 200-mile drive from Fitzgerald to Winder.

Marcee Gray later confirmed the call to the Washington Post, which reported she “declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement.”
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And it sounds like investigators tried to act on that information but were only minutes too late.

...Gray and another student with a similar name left the classroom, separately, and an administrator came in and took the latter's backpack, Sayarath told ABC News.

"[An administrator] came in and asked for my friend and then when they found out he was in the restroom, they asked for his bag and then they took his bag. And then a little bit later, he came back in with his bag," Sayarath said, adding that the boy with a similar name is her friend and told her there was some sort of confusion and that the administrator had been looking for Gray, not him.

"I mean, he obviously, like, when he came back with his bag, like, we knew at that point they were looking for [Gray] and his bag, so we thought he had something...We just continued class like normal until [an administrator] asked my teacher to check her email over the intercom," Sayarath said.

Moments later, Sayarath said, Gray tried to get back into the classroom and Sayarath said her teacher notified administrators.
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At first glance it sounds like the name confusion was a tragic error, but in retrospect probably not, because even if they had gotten the name correct at that point the real suspect had already left to prepare and obviously had taken his backpack with the weapon in it with him.
 
Didn't realize he had the rifle broken down in his backpack. Kind of assumed it was stashed in his locker or someplace, which is why he had to leave the room. I guess it was either a huge backpack or a 16" barrel AR, completely disassembled?
 
You can get a 12.5" or 11.5" barrel one quite trivially, and it won't break any laws in the USA. Especially one where you can fold the stock or such, I've had shoulder bags that could fit more than that.

But yes, if you read the story, he's described a pulling the weapon out in front of the classmates, not going to the lockers for it or taking time to assemble it.
 
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Thermal said:
Didn't realize he had the rifle broken down in his backpack. Kind of assumed it was stashed in his locker or someplace, which is why he had to leave the room. I guess it was either a huge backpack or a 16" barrel AR, completely disassembled?
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Eh - you might be right about that. That he was carrying the thing in his backpack is an assumption that I have leapt to, because the school admins seemed to want to search a backpack and also because it's difficult to imagine how else he would have gotten the weapon into the building without it being noticed.
 
Just checking. We're still pretending that literally every other 1st world country hasn't already solved this problem because that's literally the only way this discussion isn't the most "There's an obviously correct answer and a bunch a performatively stupid nonsense" discussion ever right?

Good, just checking.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Just checking. We're still pretending that literally every other 1st world country hasn't already solved this problem because that's literally the only way this discussion isn't the most "There's an obviously correct answer and a bunch a performatively stupid nonsense" discussion ever right?

Good, just checking.
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There is a reason for that perennial Onion story
 
JoeMorgue said:
Just checking. We're still pretending that literally every other 1st world country hasn't already solved this problem because that's literally the only way this discussion isn't the most "There's an obviously correct answer and a bunch a performatively stupid nonsense" discussion ever right?

Good, just checking.
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Every other country doesn't have a right to keep and bear arms enshrined in its constitution. No one yapping about how every other first-world country has already solved this problem has yet to suggest a solution that would work in the U.S.
 
HansMustermann said:
You can get a 12.5" or 11.5" barrel one quite trivially, and it won't break any laws in the USA. Especially one where you can fold the stock or such, I've had shoulder bags that could fit more than that.
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Not in the states. Our NFA jazz strictly prohibits rifles with barrels under 16", and the off-the-shelf carbine length is 18". Even with a folding stock, an AR would still be close to 24", I think.

But yes, if you read the story, he's described a pulling the weapon out in front of the classmates, not going to the lockers for it or taking time to assemble it.
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As I read it, he left the room, then returned, knocking on the automatically locking door to get back in. Another student went to open it, saw his gun through the glass, and backed away. This probably why his own classmates weren't shot.
 
Assertation #1:
jt512 said:
Every other country doesn't have a right to keep and bear arms enshrined in its constitution.
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No one yapping about how every other first-world country has already solved this problem has yet to suggest a solution that would work in the U.S.
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Loop back to #1.

Fix that.

We all know that, but don't wish to admit it.

ETA: and suggestions have been made that don't require ending the 2A. Waiting periods, limits on guns purchased per year or month or day or whatever. Universal background checks, age limits, required liability insurance, licensing and registration, mag size limits, one could go on and on with all the proposed gun control actions that courts have routinely found to be 2A compliant but which our cowering politicians won't support out of fear of single-issue voters.
 
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crescent said:
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Loop back to #1.

Fix that.

We all know that, but don't wish to admit it.
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We can keep the right. We just need to acknowledge, as DC v Heller did, that the right is not unlimited. All we need to do is crack out knuckles and pound out the limitations.

Eta: your edit largely addresses this. But I'm confident we can do it. I'm actually a little surprised that it didn't gain traction after ex-president Trump's assassination attempt. You'd think that the gun nuts might have felt surprise that their great ideas might get used against them.
 
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Thermal said:
We can keep the right. We just need to acknowledge, as DC v Heller did, that the right is not unlimited. All we need to do is crack out knuckles and pound out the limitations.

Eta: your edit largely addresses this. But I'm confident we can do it. I'm actually a little surprised that it didn't gain traction after ex-president Trump's assassination attempt. You'd think that the gun nuts might have felt surprise that their great ideas might get used against them.
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As long as our gun culture clings to the idea that "I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" exists, we won't do it. As long as the idea of "freedom" is directly connected to the 2A, we won't do it.

My god, if Columbine, Sandy Hook, Margary Stoneman Douglas, Uvalde and several more school shootings weren't enough, then what in the world makes you think Trump's getting nicked would change their minds? It just reinforced their beliefs that we need more guns to protect ourselves so strap one on, baby!

Just today, five people were wounded by a 32-year -old nutcase using an AR-15 to shoot randomly at cars on the freeway in KY.
 
crescent said:
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Loop back to #1.

Fix that.

We all know that, but don't wish to admit it.

ETA: and suggestions have been made that don't require ending the 2A. Waiting periods, limits on guns purchased per year or month or day or whatever. Universal background checks, age limits, required liability insurance, licensing and registration, mag size limits, one could go on and on with all the proposed gun control actions that courts have routinely found to be 2A compliant but which our cowering politicians won't support out of fear of single-issue voters.
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One would find it hard to go on and on about gun control laws that the current Supreme Court would uphold, but even ignoring that, none of the measured you have mentioned would have prevented this shooting.
 
jt512 said:
One would find it hard to go on and on about gun control laws that the current Supreme Court would uphold, but even ignoring that, none of the measured you have mentioned would have prevented this shooting.
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"No Way To Prevent This," Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
 
Thermal said:
Not in the states. Our NFA jazz strictly prohibits rifles with barrels under 16", and the off-the-shelf carbine length is 18". Even with a folding stock, an AR would still be close to 24", I think.
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Without having seen the AR he used, 2 thoughts.

1. You can have a short barreled AR but you need to file paperwork with the ATF and pass a federal background check. I doubt this happened. (Currently researching on making my own SBR for what it's worth)

2. AR pistol - https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/132080/american+tactical+imports+atigomx556mp4b+omni+hybrid+maxx+5.56x45mm+nato+7.50+30+1+black+black+trinity+force+breach+blade+stock

The stock is suppose to brace against you arm, and it is an ATF NO NO to place against you shoulder. No idea how they fly as pistols and not as SBRs.
 
azazal said:
Without having seen the AR he used, 2 thoughts.

1. You can have a short barreled AR but you need to file paperwork with the ATF and pass a federal background check. I doubt this happened. (Currently researching on making my own SBR for what it's worth)

2. AR pistol - https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/132080/american+tactical+imports+atigomx556mp4b+omni+hybrid+maxx+5.56x45mm+nato+7.50+30+1+black+black+trinity+force+breach+blade+stock

The stock is suppose to brace against you arm, and it is an ATF NO NO to place against you shoulder. No idea how they fly as pistols and not as SBRs.
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Yes, I was going to put in the disclaimer about short barrel rifles like we have with machine guns etc, but I'm willing to go out on a limb that the broke ass dad didn't purchase an NFA restricted weapon that costs a small fortune on their budget. Pics have been released of Colty boy and his new AR. The barrel is of conventional length.
 
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jt512 said:
One would find it hard to go on and on about gun control laws that the current Supreme Court would uphold, but even ignoring that, none of the measured you have mentioned would have prevented this shooting.
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Then we need more and stricter ones, don't we?

Sportsmen don't need anti-personell weapons. People who want to efficiently kill large amounts of people do. It just isn't that complicated.
 
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