Another scary candidate

[kevinquinnyo]

You need to allow for the fact that more liberals in college are in areas [lack] eduscation, engineering, medicine and various helping professions.

A large proportion of the righties are pursuing MBA's. (Not exactly a scholarly pursuit.)

The actions of fools with MBAs are mostly the cause of the mess we are in now.

Agreed, liberals lack education.

Again, can you provide evidence that liberals are more willing to learn than conservatives?

 

[Ziggurat]

Stop that. He clearly sets out the fact that he considers the environment of Guam to be already at the limits of its ability to absorb the population that the Navy wanted top move there. His "tip over and capsize remark seemed to me more a statement that they were about to totally overload the island with catastrophic effect.

Yes: the catastrophic effect being that it would tip over and capsize.

Hank is losing it. He's got an excuse for that (hepatitis C can cause confusion), but he's got no business staying in office while his mental facilities deteriorate.

 

[Ziggurat]

You need to allow for the fact that more liberals in college are in areas luck eduscation

You're the best, lefty.

 

[leftysergeant]

You're the best, lefty.

For some reason, this piece of crap computer doesn't always let me correct all my typos. Migraines don't help much, either.

My point was that righties are too shallow to grasp some of the subtle points that peop[le try to make. Or maybe I should say too narrow. Their vision seems to fail beyond the point of their own pudenda. This is probably why so many of them, proportionate to their numbers, are drawn to MBA programs, and why they have driven the country into the ditch despite all the warnings they got.

I guess they can't grasp that a biologist, an artist, an environmentalist or a labor union leader might have something to say to which they should pay attention.

MBAs tend to be a bit arrogant at times. One of our worst presidents ever has an MBA and really nothing else to show that he has any education.

As for Johnson, I still say that you show poor language skills in not understanding that he was using what we call a simile. I am sure he knows that islands don't tip over. He knows, I am sure, that ships do. He was talking to a Navy officer about his concerns over environmental impact on Guam if they went ahead with the plan that the Navy officer was defending. Wouldn't it make sense to compare what they were doing to a parallel disaster resulting from carelessly over loading a ship?

 

[kevinquinnyo]

For some reason, this piece of crap computer doesn't always let me correct all my typos. Migraines don't help much, either.

My point was that righties are too shallow to grasp some of the subtle points that peop[le try to make. Or maybe I should say too narrow. Their vision seems to fail beyond the point of their own pudenda. This is probably why so many of them, proportionate to their numbers, are drawn to MBA programs, and why they have driven the country into the ditch despite all the warnings they got.

I guess they can't grasp that a biologist, an artist, an environmentalist or a labor union leader might have something to say to which they should pay attention.

MBAs tend to be a bit arrogant at times. One of our worst presidents ever has an MBA and really nothing else to show that he has any education.

As for Johnson, I still say that you show poor language skills in not understanding that he was using what we call a simile. I am sure he knows that islands don't tip over. He knows, I am sure, that ships do. He was talking to a Navy officer about his concerns over environmental impact on Guam if they went ahead with the plan that the Navy officer was defending. Wouldn't it make sense to compare what they were doing to a parallel disaster resulting from carelessly over loading a ship?

As for Johnson, I think it's remotely possible he was making a deadpan joke. If you really want to see that, and you watch the video, you can almost see how that was a charming, southern way of saying "The environmental impact will cause a catastrophe." But you have to really want to see it. And the PR after that incident is suspect. They didn't come right out and say it was a joke or a southern way of speaking, they danced around it for a while. Who knows.


You still haven't provided any evidence that liberals are more willing to learn than conservatives. It's just your opinion.

 

[leftysergeant]

You still haven't provided any evidence that liberals are more willing to learn than conservatives. It's just your opinion.

How many righties have admitted that cutting taxes on the wealthy in a time of war was a stupid move?

 

[kevinquinnyo]

[...]

I guess they can't grasp that a biologist, an artist, an environmentalist or a labor union leader might have something to say to which they should pay attention.

[...]

Are you also claiming that no conservatives are also biologists, artists, environmentalists? Labor union leaders? Probably not very many conservative labor union leaders...

But why do you assume there aren't conservative biologists, artists or environmentalists.

You seem to think that all conservatives are "teatrash," with MBAs, bent on destroying the environment, and burning books.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

How many righties have admitted that cutting taxes on the wealthy in a time of war was a stupid move?

526,291 righties admitted that.

? I don't know?

Provide some real evidence. This isn't a dance party, so stop dancing around the question

 

[leftysergeant]

526,291 righties admitted that.

? I don't know?

Provide some real evidence. This isn't a dance party, so stop dancing around the question

I'm rather tired of this derail.

 

[Meadmaker]

He wasn't even an also-ran.

He was a very influential United States Senator, a moderate Democrat who was very influential in pushing for a balanced budget during the Reagan years. I wish there were more like him.

 

[Ziggurat]

For some reason, this piece of crap computer doesn't always let me correct all my typos.

A poor craftsman blames his tools.

As for Johnson, I still say that you show poor language skills in not understanding that he was using what we call a simile.

Well, no, "we" don't call that a simile. A simile (unlike a metaphor) needs the comparison between the two things made explicit. One could argue (though not persuasively) that Hank was talking metaphorically, but he definitely wasn't using a simile. Perhaps you need to go back to college... I mean, highschool... sorry, make that grade school. Silly me, just shows how uneducated I am.

 

[HistoryGal]

Are you also claiming that no conservatives are also biologists, artists, environmentalists? Labor union leaders? Probably not very many conservative labor union leaders...

The only president who was a former union president was Ronald Reagan.

But why do you assume there aren't conservative biologists, artists or environmentalists.

Teddy Roosevelt was quite the environmentalist and was known as the conservation president. He created five national parks and signed into law the [SIZE=-1]Antiquities Act of June 8, 1906.[/SIZE]

Richard Nixon signed into law the Clean Water Act of 1972.

ConArtist.org and the Charles Schwartz Foundation both support conservative artists. Ranker has several lists of conservative musicians, actors and athletes.

You seem to think that all conservatives are "teatrash," with MBAs, bent on destroying the environment, and burning books.

I find that many liberals of my acquaintance (not all, but many) are Luddites - opposed to change of any kind, even change of a positive nature.

 

[HarryHenderson]

Ah yes, a link to what really is an april fool's joke on a conservative blog, unsurprisingly devoid of anything real with respect to said context. The joke is on anyone foolish enough to follow your links with the expectation that there might be something relevant, let alone substantive, on the other end. Making things up when you've nothing to say is not a particularly strong argument form, kid.

I'm making things up? Dude, you're an IDIOT. There's an EMBEDDED video of 'the man' WITHIN that page. Which you must have, at least, glanced at if you read the story...no wait, you didn't actually read the story did you?! Or watch the video?! So anyway, the video is exactly what I professed - a longer version of that same video that you and your TINY brain complained about initially. You know, the one lacking 'context'? You might hate it or deny it or even **** it, but it's not just partially or somewhat 'relevant', it's TOTALLY and COMPLETELY relevant, Einstein. And you call ME 'kid'.

BTW, I'll bet my dollars to your donuts that I am in fact 'older' than you AND that I could be in a coma, low on gas, and lacking a #2 pencil and STILL outwit, outsmart, and outplay YOU.

I can tell you just 'don't have the time' to pursue such mundane things like 'learning' or 'paying attention'. Nope, you've got bigger fish to fry in contemplating your next INANE 'politically correct' comment. Are you really so PC as to overlook even simple, obvious, in-your-face facts? Cause either way it's making your panty shield show!

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Yikes! A candidate who thinks outside the box? That's scary to you, eh? Please keep your phobias in a bottle.

Lets see just how far outside the box.

Ahh...turns out he was familiar with one Gary North who was a student of Rousas Rushdoony. From the article:

Rousas Rushdoony advocated executing by stoning homosexuals, adulterers, and women who have intercourse before marriage, wanted to reimpose slavery, claimed that African-American slaves were lucky, was a Holocaust denier and a creationist, and maintained that the Sun rotates around the Earth.

Interesting, you don't seem to be someone who supports the government-sanctioned murder of homosexuals and adulterers or imposing slavery on blacks one more so why would you support him? Oh yeah!

Gary North is a protege' of founder of the Christian Reconstructionism movement founder Rousas J. Rushdoony. In 1992 Rushdoony spoke at the inaugural event of the U.S. Taxpayers Party, later re-branded as the Constitution Party. In 2008 Ron Paul endorsed the Constitution Party candidate for president of the United States, and current Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul keynoted a Minnesota Constitution Party rally in April 2009.

Because he has ties to the Constitution party, a party filled with right-wing Christian funademantalists, and Ron Paul supports them. Blind partisanship at its best.

 

[Jekyll's Guest]

Quote:
Rousas Rushdoony advocated executing by stoning homosexuals, adulterers, and women who have intercourse before marriage, wanted to reimpose slavery, claimed that African-American slaves were lucky, was a Holocaust denier and a creationist, and maintained that the Sun rotates around the Earth.


How is that even possible?

Did he run the RMF from the bottom of a well? Was he born there, and they would send him food down in a little basket, and he'd send up orders?

Once, a sparrow fell down the well, and he came dangerously close to learning about aerodynamics, before devouring the bird's flesh with feral glee.

 

[Shadowdweller]

I'm making things up? Dude, you're an IDIOT. There's an EMBEDDED video of 'the man' WITHIN that page. Which you must have, at least, glanced at if you read the story...no wait, you didn't actually read the story did you?! Or watch the video?! So anyway, the video is exactly what I professed - a longer version of that same video that you and your TINY brain complained about initially. You know, the one lacking 'context'? You might hate it or deny it or even **** it, but it's not just partially or somewhat 'relevant', it's TOTALLY and COMPLETELY relevant, Einstein. And you call ME 'kid'.

Yeah kid, you have SEVERE reading comprehension problems. Here, I'll demonstrate - You linked to a page embedded with the EXACT same video that's been going around the net. The one that conveniently does not show Johnson's set-up to the question.

I did not feel the need for a full transcript of the exchange because the ENTIRE POINT of quoting the transcript was to highlight the initial portion that is NOT part of the video that the tabloid blogosphere has been busily throwing about; and furthermore because the latter parts have ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED upthread:

Are you being deadpan?

I don't think that was deadpan humor. I think he truly didn't understand how islands are formed.

It would be cute if he were 6. Unfortunately, he's a 56 year old man, and he thinks islands are like boats.

And then he goes on seamlessly, to address specific environmental concerns. He used the language he did to emphasize that he thought the island was being loaded with far more people and structures than were really a good idea. Just a clever turn of phrase. Makes more sense than the lame-brain McConell whining about "job-killing taxes" on thje top 2% of the fat class to keep working people fed during a jobless recovery.

The facts of the matter are this:
* Johnson is discussing infrastructure problems on the island BEFORE the capsize comment
* Johnson is discussing environmental problems AFTER capsize comment
* Johnson -links- the statements regarding infrastructure to the capsize comments with the word "now" - "Now, this is an island that at its widest level is..."
* Johnson is speaking to a naval officer about a naval (/marine) base - providing an obvious alternate meaning or reference for the capsize bit
* Johnson has law degree and thus, by definition, has not only demonstrated understanding of elementary school-level science, but high-school level science as well.
* Johnson has released a clarification in light of this idiocy to the effect that:

“I wasn’t suggesting that the island of Guam would literally tip over,” said Johnson. “The subtle humor of this obviously metaphorical reference to a ship capsizing illustrated my concern about the impact of the planned military buildup on this small tropical island.

...and yet you still assume that, contrary to what he has stated outright, Johnson meant the statement literally:

And, yes Johnson thought the island was a floater.

I'll leave it to others to judge which of us is the idiot. I imagine the facts speak for themselves.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

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I find that many liberals of my acquaintance (not all, but many) are Luddites - opposed to change of any kind, even change of a positive nature.

True, but there's no shortage of Luddism in the conservative world either though.

Think, anti stem cell research, protectionism, etc.

 

[Ziggurat]

The facts of the matter are this:
* Johnson is discussing infrastructure problems on the island BEFORE the capsize comment
* Johnson is discussing environmental problems AFTER capsize comment

I note that you studiously avoid discussing the actual comment. If he's talking metaphorically, why give no direct indication of that within the statement? He said that the "whole island" might tip over and capsize. That makes no sense if he's talking about infrastructure, because infrastructure obviously isn't the "whole island". Neither do the hand gestures, which are suggestive of a literal capsizing.

* Johnson -links- the statements regarding infrastructure to the capsize comments with the word "now" - "Now, this is an island that at its widest level is..."

That's hardly a link. People frequently use "now" when speaking, even if they're talking about a new topic. The word is used at the beginning of a sentence not to establish links with what's been previously said, but to indicate that what comes next should be considered as background information or established fact.

* Johnson is speaking to a naval officer about a naval (/marine) base - providing an obvious alternate meaning or reference for the capsize bit

The only obvious meaning of "tip over and capsize" is the literal meaning. And the navy isn't more metaphorical about naval terminology than the rest of us.

* Johnson has law degree and thus, by definition, has not only demonstrated understanding of elementary school-level science, but high-school level science as well.

Umm.... perhaps you need to look up the definition of "by definition" (oh, the irony), but a law degree does not "by definition" demonstrate your grasp of anything other than the law (and even for law, it's not by definition, it's according to the degree-granter). They don't give science tests in law school.

And how exactly does having a law degree make him immune to mental deterioration as a result of his long-standing hepatitis C infection? Sorry, it doesn't. Regardless of how smart Johnson may once have been, he's not right in the head anymore.

* Johnson has released a clarification in light of this idiocy

Johnson realized after the fact that he made a fool out of himself, and is trying to limit the damage. That's the idiocy he released the "clarification" "in light of".

 

[Ziggurat]

True, but there's no shortage of Luddism in the conservative world either though.

Think, anti stem cell research, protectionism, etc.

I don't think anyone's denying that. It just comes in different flavors. Opposition to stem cell research tends to be from conservatives. Opposition to genetically modified crops tends to be from liberals. And these things come in waves, too.

My only real disagreement with what you said is that protectionism nonsense seems pretty bipartisan.

 

[leftysergeant]

I note that you studiously avoid discussing the actual comment. If he's talking metaphorically, why give no direct indication of that within the statement? He said that the "whole island" might tip over and capsize. That makes no sense if he's talking about infrastructure, because infrastructure obviously isn't the "whole island". Neither do the hand gestures, which are suggestive of a literal capsizing.

The simple fact is that the consequences of overloading the eccosystem and infrastructure would have a cascading effect, just as would overloading and capsizing a ship. Are you so ignorant of environmental science as to think that eccological catastrophes are so slow in building that you can always stop in time to avoid irreparable harm?

The only obvious meaning of "tip over and capsize" is the literal meaning. And the navy isn't more metaphorical about naval terminology than the rest of us.

He was putting the dangers and the suddenness with which the consequences would manifest in terms familiar to the officer.

And how exactly does having a law degree make him immune to mental deterioration as a result of his long-standing hepatitis C infection? Sorry, it doesn't. Regardless of how smart Johnson may once have been, he's not right in the head anymore.

He still shgows more ability to assess environmental risks than some people who manage to get an MBA and become POTUS.

Johnson realized after the fact that he made a fool out of himself, and is trying to limit the damage. That's the idiocy he released the "clarification" "in light of".

No. He just found out that some simple-minded twits had not gotten the point and needed it translated into Moronic.