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Another scary candidate

He was putting the dangers and the suddenness with which the consequences would manifest in terms familiar to the officer.

I guess the Admiral wasn't familiar with the term "narrow" either, since Hank struggled to express the concept in terms the Admiral might understand, finally settling on "least widest".

Hank is losing it. It's obvious to anyone who isn't so deeply invested in trying to maintain an illusion of liberal infallibility that they'll deny reality.

Oh...

... oh.
 
Hank is losing it. It's obvious to anyone who isn't so deeply invested in trying to maintain an illusion of liberal infallibility that they'll deny reality.

He still sounds more articulate speaking ad lib than did a certain quasi-educated MBA-holder who made a lot of dumb decisions for the whole country back at the begining of this century.
 
Yeah kid, you have SEVERE...I'll leave it to others to judge which of us is the idiot. I imagine the facts speak for themselves.
Oh yes, the 'facts', of course. So anyway, Shad, if it's any consolation, I do consider myself a little stupid (or stupider?) for addressing you at all. By all means, you go on about your business, don't mind me. Yer the sharpie here. I'm just here (mostly) to point out any pinkish-hued-PC-inspired 'dishonesty'. Or in your case, 'confusion' (seemingly) inspired by 'dain bramage'.

Fair enough? Son?
 
I note that you studiously avoid discussing the actual comment. If he's talking metaphorically, why give no direct indication of that within the statement? He said that the "whole island" might tip over and capsize.
For the same reason that people over the course of face-to-face conversation do not often take the time out to state "I'm being sarcastic here", or "This is going to be a metaphor" beforehand. Because such statements are 1) extremely insubtle, 2) frequently obvious, and 3) take too much time.
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That makes no sense if he's talking about infrastructure, because infrastructure obviously isn't the "whole island". Neither do the hand gestures, which are suggestive of a literal capsizing.
Wrong. The infrastructure is only inadequate or is primarily inadequate because it services the needs of the whole island.

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That's hardly a link. People frequently use "now" when speaking, even if they're talking about a new topic. The word is used at the beginning of a sentence not to establish links with what's been previously said, but to indicate that what comes next should be considered as background information or established fact.
You are, presumably, familiar with the concept of the conjunction?

By itself, yes, this point might be somewhat ambiguous. It is not, however, by itself.
Ziggurat said:
The only obvious meaning of "tip over and capsize" is the literal meaning. And the navy isn't more metaphorical about naval terminology than the rest of us.
Obviously, the word's origin and primary use in reference to ships escapes you.

Ziggurat said:
Umm.... perhaps you need to look up the definition of "by definition" (oh, the irony), but a law degree does not "by definition" demonstrate your grasp of anything other than the law (and even for law, it's not by definition, it's according to the degree-granter). They don't give science tests in law school.
A law degree is a university-level degree related to law. Obtaining a law or any other graduate degree from any college in the US requires a high school diploma, GED, or equivalent. Thus, yes, by definition any person with a graduate degree has demonstrated understanding of high school science.
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And how exactly does having a law degree make him immune to mental deterioration as a result of his long-standing hepatitis C infection? Sorry, it doesn't. Regardless of how smart Johnson may once have been, he's not right in the head anymore.
Yeah, your evidence for this mental deterioration is what exactly? A tortured interpretation of his statements so as to render them unusually stupid?
 
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True, but there's no shortage of Luddism in the conservative world either though.

Think, anti stem cell research, protectionism, etc.

I don't know any conservatives who don't support adult stem cell research. I don't know many conservatives who promote protectionism - most are in favor of a free market economy.
 
A law degree is a university-level degree related to law. Obtaining a law or any other graduate degree from any college in the US requires a high school diploma, GED, or equivalent. Thus, yes, by definition any person with a graduate degree has demonstrated understanding of high school science.

No. Once again, you seem to not know the definition of "by definition". Passing a science class is supposed to indicate understanding of basic science, but not by definition, rather by evaluation of the course instructor. Since you seem to be struggling with this concept, I think I'll pass on accepting your interpretation of the meaning of Hank's language.

Yeah, your evidence for this mental deterioration is what exactly? A tortured interpretation of his statements so as to render them unusually stupid?

There's also the little problem he had trying to find a word to describe the property commonly referred to as "narrow" (he eventually settled on "least widest" after struggling with the issue). He wasn't with it, and the rest of his questioning makes that pretty obvious.

Plus, of course, chronic hepatitis C (which we know Hank has) causes hepatic enecephalopathy, which can easily lead to confusion.
 
No. Once again, you seem to not know the definition of "by definition". Passing a science class is supposed to indicate understanding of basic science, but not by definition, rather by evaluation of the course instructor. Since you seem to be struggling with this concept, I think I'll pass on accepting your interpretation of the meaning of Hank's language.
No. You are being willfully obtuse here. Passing a science class means he has demonstrated understanding of the subject to the satisfaction of the instructor. Having a law degree necessitates having done this, or having sufficient scores on a GED - in effect, having demonstrated his understanding of the subject matter to the satisfaction of the testing service. Any degree to begin with is, by definition, not proof of understanding but a claim of understanding by a third party.

That is, by the way, why I used the word "demonstrate" rather than "Having a law degree proves that Johnson understood elementary/high school science.
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There's also the little problem he had trying to find a word to describe the property commonly referred to as "narrow" (he eventually settled on "least widest" after struggling with the issue).
While this is true, it is also an incredibly common occurrence here in the real world when not using pre-written speeches. Even amongst members of our government. If you imagine otherwise, you are encouraged to turn on c-span from time to time.

Ziggurat said:
Plus, of course, chronic hepatitis C (which we know Hank has) causes hepatic enecephalopathy, which can easily lead to confusion.
Yes, chronic hepatitis C can cause cognitive impairment. So can a wide variety of other conditions, including malnutrition, alcoholism, and diabetes. We do not generally assume that anyone with the any of these problems is automatically also suffering from cognitive impairment. Again, what evidence do you have that Johnson is suffering from cognitive problems as a result of his hepatitis?

Even if he is suffering from a certain degree of cognitive impairment, why should we assume that the most ridiculous interpretation of his words is, in fact, the correct one?
 
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Oh yes, the 'facts', of course. So anyway, Shad, if it's any consolation, I do consider myself a little stupid (or stupider?) for addressing you at all. By all means, you go on about your business, don't mind me. Yer the sharpie here. I'm just here (mostly) to point out any pinkish-hued-PC-inspired 'dishonesty'. Or in your case, 'confusion' (seemingly) inspired by 'dain bramage'.

Fair enough? Son?
As shown previously, you're not by any means fit to judge, kid. You'll receive due consideration when you prove capable of formulating an actual argument rather than making absurd claims with respect to your mentality, and linking to site that has this to say on the subject of context (after a stream of obvious nonsense):
I waited till today to write this explanation and place it within the body of the post, since April Fools Day is now over and now The Truth Can Be Told. So here it is: this is a spoof.
 
I don't know any conservatives who don't support adult stem cell research. I don't know many conservatives who promote protectionism - most are in favor of a free market economy.

I don't think that's true. Can you provide any statistics?

It's my impression that both liberals and conservatives support some degree of protectionism/believe that free trade is bad/don't understand or agree that comparative advantage is a good thing.

But prove me wrong.

edit: i should have said "most liberals and conservatives," This would exclude the libertarians and Paul Krugmans of the world.
 
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As shown previously, you're not by any means fit to judge, kid. You'll receive due consideration when you prove capable of formulating an actual argument rather than making absurd claims with respect to your mentality, and linking to site that has this to say on the subject of context (after a stream of obvious nonsense):

Kid? What's with the 'kid' thing? You're just trying to push buttons, stop with that. It's irritating me, and I'm not even that involved.
 
I don't think that's true. Can you provide any statistics?

How about you spend 10 minutes on Google and find out for yourself?

I'm not trying to be snarky (well, not too snarky), but I usually provide lots of back-up, most of which I find in 10 minutes of search time. It's not too much to ask that others do the same now and then.

Please note that I say "conservative," not Republican. There are differences.

Have fun searching!
 
I don't think that's true. Can you provide any statistics?

It's my impression that both liberals and conservatives support some degree of protectionism/believe that free trade is bad/don't understand or agree that comparative advantage is a good thing.

But prove me wrong.

edit: i should have said "most liberals and conservatives," This would exclude the libertarians and Paul Krugmans of the world.

Think back to the presidential primary races for the 2008 election. Both parties had fully contested primaries, but only the Democrats had a race-to-the-bottom to see who could position themselves as the most protectionist. Remember Obama, Canada, and Goolsbee? Slate 2008
For the Canadians, a key point of concern was Obama's sharp criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement. DeMora wrote Wilson that in the Chicago meeting, Goolsbee "candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign" but reassured Rioux that Obama's NAFTA-bashing "should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans." Three weeks later, Canada's CTV News reported that a "senior member" of Obama's campaign had phoned Wilson personally to advise him to "not be worried about what Obama says about NAFTA."

The rhetoric coming from the Republican candidates during the primaries was very different.

Decades ago, it used to be that Republicans were the protectionists and Democrats the free traders. That's largely flipped. It is certainly not the case that all Dems are protectionist or that all Repubs are free trade advocates, but then it would be true to say that not all Dems support legalized abortion and not all Repubs are pro-life.

Look at what has happened to the free trade agreements to come to the Senate in the past decade.

It is mostly about unions, and secondarily about "environmental" groups that desire Rousseauian neo-feudalism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/business/global/27trade.html
TORONTO — The Obama administration announced Saturday that it would ask Congress to ratify a long-stalled free-trade agreement with South Korea after the midterm elections in November.

Leaders at Summit Talks Turn Attention to Deficit Cuts (June 27, 2010) The decision, which risks angering labor unions and their Congressional supporters, was announced as the Group of 20 economies began a two-day summit meeting here, following a smaller meeting by the Group of 8 powers.

"labor unions and their Congressional supporters"

Hrmm, I wonder which party those labor union supporting members of Congress likely belong to?

President George W. Bush’s administration concluded the agreement in June 2007, but the Democratic leadership in Congress has not acted on it, nor has the Obama administration pressed the issue until now.

...

The South Korea free-trade agreement is one of three — the others are Colombia and Panama — that were completed under the Bush administration. Neither the Obama administration nor Congressional Democrats have moved to complete the accords.

In the case of the Latin American countries, labor groups have cited a variety of objections concerning the treatment of union workers.

That's got to be one of the most cynical arguments put forward by labor...these third world laborers are being mistreated because they are being provided the opportunity to have a job they otherwise wouldn't have, and we clearly don't want THAT to happen.

Harry Reid wouldn't even bring those free trade agreements to the floor for a vote.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/08/21/the-democrats-and-free-trade/
If and when trade and globalization come up at the Democratic National Convention next week, I can almost guarantee that the take will be negative. It has become part of the party’s core message these days that free trade favors the rich at home and our unfair trading partners abroad. Just yesterday, in a tour of southern Virginia, Democratic hope Barak Obama took an indirect swipe at trade when he told a crowd in Martinsville, “You’re worried about the future. Here people have gone through very tough times. When you’ve got entire industries that have shipped overseas, when you’ve got thousands of jobs being lost. . . . That’s tough.”

Not all Democrats share the pessimistic view of trade. In the latest edition of the Cato Journal, hot off the presses, I review a new book by pro-trade Democrat Ed Gresser of the Progressive Policy Institute. In my review of Freedom from Want: American Liberalism and the Global Economy, I wrote:
Although it is easy to forget today as Democratic candidates rail against NAFTA and globalization, but for decades it was the Democratic Party that championed lower tariffs. Democrats opposed the high tariff wall maintained by Republicans from the Civil War to World War One, arguing that tariffs benefited big business at the expense of poor consumers. Under President Woodrow Wilson, Congress drastically lowered tariffs in 1913 and replaced the revenue with an income tax, only to see Republicans raise tariffs again in the 1920s, culminating in the Smoot-Hawley Tariff of 1930 and the Great Depression that followed.
The Democrats should think long and hard before they give up that legacy altogether.

Republican protectionism decades ago was shameful, destructive, and stupid. The Democrats are fast approaching that same level of idiocy on the subject.
 
There you go again. I was trying to bring up some examples of the lunacy behind the elepjant cartoons, and you want to take it as another opportunity to try to sell us Libertarian ecconomics, which is totally bunk. And you referrence the Cato stink tank.

"Look. Bright shiney thing."

Yeah, I've seen it. It's iron pyrites,
 
Again, what evidence do you have that Johnson is suffering from cognitive problems as a result of his hepatitis?

Well, he once asked someone about capsizing an island. That seems like something that might come from someone with cognitive problems.

I seriously doubt that he believes islands float or that they can be tipped over if you put too many people on them. On the other hand, he did say that. If you watch that tape, he was clearly confused and rambling. I think he may have lost his train of thought completely and was unsure of what he was saying at the time he made that reference.

If it was supposed to be deadpan humour, then he's underpaid. Straight men that good can command some really high salaries in the entertainment business.
 
Well, he once asked someone about capsizing an island. That seems like something that might come from someone with cognitive problems.
Which in turn is evidence that he meant the statement literally, no doubt :D

(no, not ascribing this reasoning to yourself)

Meadmaker said:
I seriously doubt that he believes islands float or that they can be tipped over if you put too many people on them. On the other hand, he did say that. If you watch that tape, he was clearly confused and rambling. I think he may have lost his train of thought completely and was unsure of what he was saying at the time he made that reference.
He seemed confused about particular word choice and emphasis, I'll grant you. An event so uncommon as to defy any rational explanation other than cognitive decline. Likewise, you yourself just displayed a certain confusion regarding conclusions - and your alias suggests alcohol consumption (or perhaps even worse, poetry). Therefore you must also be cognitively impaired :D

Meadmaker said:
If it was supposed to be deadpan humour, then he's underpaid. Straight men that good can command some really high salaries in the entertainment business.
Yeah, except that it wasn't all humor, now was it? Metaphor and attempted witticism might be more accurate. Obviously, the delivery could have used some work.
 
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How about you spend 10 minutes on Google and find out for yourself?

I'm not trying to be snarky (well, not too snarky), but I usually provide lots of back-up, most of which I find in 10 minutes of search time. It's not too much to ask that others do the same now and then.

Please note that I say "conservative," not Republican. There are differences.

Have fun searching!
conservative=Republican=Teabagger.
Just ask any Librul here.
 
Are you also claiming that no conservatives are also biologists, artists, environmentalists? Labor union leaders? Probably not very many conservative labor union leaders...

But why do you assume there aren't conservative biologists, artists or environmentalists.

You seem to think that all conservatives are "teatrash," with MBAs, bent on destroying the environment, and burning books.


I think this pretty well defines the individual to whom you are responding.

It's not just that he's to the extreme left part of the political spectrum, so must as that his focus is not nearly so much on building up his own position as it is in tearing down those with whom he disagrees.

He has no good argument as to why you should support his extreme left-wing position; only crazy claims about why you should not support right-wing “teatrash”. Acknowledging that this “teatrash” contains, for the most part, people who are as intelligent, honest, and educated as those on his end of the political spectrum would undermine his arguments, and leave him with nothing to say.
 

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