kellyb
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What would count as "conclusive" evidence to you?
Another pedophile running for Congress
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What would count as "conclusive" evidence to you?
Checkmite
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Because this article describing his previous political office run, in March of last year, indicates that he had kept his more pedophilic views from voters when he was seeking signatures for his candidacy petition at the time. Of his 2008 Congressional run, which was a year before his assassination threats, no articles remain quoting him or describing his positions that I could find; however the fact that he was the nominated Libertarian Party candidate in that election and the fact that he was officially endorsed by the Greens would seem to make it extremely unlikely that he was openly agitating for the legalization of child rape at that time. A wikipedia article about that race describes some extremist-capitalist positions, such as privatizing the military and the interstate highway system; but does not mention white nationalism, political correctness, eliminating spousal rape prohibitions, or any of the other signature alt-right positions he openly espouses lately. In the article I linked in the OP, there are screenshots of posts he made with his admin accounts to his pro-child-rape and pro-incel message boards, and the "joined" timestamps show that those boards were created in August of last year and February of this year respectively. All of this would seem to indicate that his open pedophilia and misogyny are comparatively recent developments that emerged last year and there isn't any evidence suggesting otherwise.
phiwum
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Something more than unconfirmed accusations or braggadocio about grabbing pussies.
I'm not sure how to more clearly answer your question.
When it is a politician I am going to take them at their word for it on anything bad/wrong/immoral they have done or supported as completely true. Especially republickers!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, well, it's good you declare your standards. Mine are different. (ETA: One major difference is that political affiliation doesn't matter to me.)
In any case, grabbing pussies isn't rape, as rape is usually defined. It's disgusting, grossly immoral and a clear example of sexual assault, but not rape. So even if Trump was telling the truth (a rarity, but totally could be the case), he isn't accurately described as a rapist.
Bill Clinton was accused of rape. I don't call him a rapist because I haven't seen sufficient evidence that he is guilty of rape. Similarly, I won't call Trump a rapist until the evidence is quite clear. I'll call him other things, but not that.
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Snort.
Indeed.
Foolmewunz
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Did you just read the OP. The very first response post pointed out that he's not a member of either party and that neither party claims him.
And the first partisan post is Brainster doing one of those fancy dancy "just sayin' " that he's renowned for, trying to create an affinity with the Democrats because, well, it's what partisans do.
The majority of the posts in the thread are people pointing out that he's not supporter by Republicans and isn't associated with the Republican Party nor does he claim to be. There are a couple of "let's extrapolate this to pin it on the other team" posts, but not many.
Your post amounts to one big straw man. You're arguing with a mythical public that is bound to be thinking he's a Republican, 'though no one's said that and if not for his unfortunate choice of mentioning his role model, wouldn't even come up. Even there, he says nothing about having any affinity for the GOP or Trump's policies, just his blustering "the man will say anything" personality.
GrandMasterFox
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I think it means : I want to be defined as Libertarian, but I was kicked out of there, so I'm using the closet name I can come up with.
Of course I don't understand how can a libertarian be a white supremicist, the 2 seem to be contradicting.
If he's "pro free market" and thinks that it's reasonable for slaves to exist that's one horrible thing but at least it doesn't contradict.
But having specifically calling out whites to be in charge seems like it would require government interference.
Roy Moore before anything else was a republican. You know, the party that Trump leads at the moment?
Is there any republican nominee he wouldn't support?
This guy isn't a republican. The odds of Trump supporting him is 0.
As others have said, Moore denied everything. He didn't welcome it and stated what he did like this guy does.
The fact that they deined it means that it is something they have a hard time swallowing*
It's safe to assume there were people yelling "fake news fake news la la la la la we can't hear you" about it.
Checkmite
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That is certainly true for many of those who voted for him. The fact that he denied the allegations allowed people to claim they were not supporting a pedophile by voting for him; and claims by alt-right media about his accusers being Democrat agents or Hillary Clinton employees or whatnot, provided the necessary "alternative facts" to satisfy them.
But there was a not-insignificant number of supporters who defended him not by calling the allegations "fake news", but by openly saying "so what if he did?" and "14 is not so bad for a man in his 30s". These included a few highly visible media personalities, as well as local religious leaders who described pedophilia as "godly" because "men married young girls a lot in biblical times".
Craig4
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I live in Virginia now and Trump has done nothing to distance himself from this candidate. After his comments to Miss Team USA, why would anyone think Trump isn't supporting this person by his silence? He obviously shares Trump values when it comes to women and girls.
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But that was still in the age of Trump. So why would Trump be the cause here?
Perhaps. But there's nothing that ties this development to Trump either. Crazy people have crazy motives. There's little point in trying to develop rational explanations for them. Remember the nut job who shot Giffords? People kept trying to find a way to blame Republicans for that, but his motives had nothing to do with politics, he was just completely insane.
Openly advocating child rape isn't quite that crazy, but it's crazy enough that there's likely nothing coherent behind it. The most coherent possible motive I can imagine is that he just wants to make people angry, and picked about the most offensive platform possible. Adding Trump to the mix might give that an extra boost, since Trump also upsets people, but there's really no point in looking for any meaning or significance in this.
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Why should Trump give this guy any attention at all? He would likely welcome attention, even a denunciation. He deserves to be ignored at the national level, anything else is probably a reward for him.
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Checkmite
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Because at that point Trump hasn't endorsed Moore yet. He hadn't yet, in that manner, given the base his permission to support even accused pedophiles so long as they speak the right language.
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That isn't evidence, it's speculation.
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Interview with Larson, not a pleasant person.
Foolmewunz
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I actually agree with this. Nothing wannabe degenerate claims an affinity with Trump. So what? The story's gone past its best by date, already. Stop giving him attention. He's not going to get any votes and he's not running as a usurper on the Republican ticket, so there's no reason, really, for Trump to even acknowledge him.
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Except that Trump is a scumbag attention whore who rarely fails to comment on **** that should be none of his damn business (e.g., the NFL). It would be great if once in a while that would include denouncing the worst right wingers, even when they claim common cause with him.
Foolmewunz
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Sure it would be great, but he hasn't given a press conference since godonlyknows when and no one's going to be able to to hang it on him like they did by catching him unawares on the David Duke question.
The clamor (what little of it there is) is falling on deaf ears and it'll play out only having succeeded in putting this ass-wipe's name in the news for a week or two.