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Anomolies at ground zero

Docker said:
And why did the heat in the wtc not radiate to all the rest of the steel.
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Because while steel is a decent conductor of heat, it is not magic. Eventually the amount of energy transmitted through a column will not be anywhere near enough comparied to the energy being brought in via the fire.

Your iron stove has the advantage of being surrounded on all sides by cooling air.

There is no way that steel had the time to be compromised, even in the hottest part of the building. It is ludicrous.
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And your engineering/fire analysis/ degree is what exactly?
 
Docker said:
Dr Sunder, Head of official NIST report on Building 7 says:

"We are studying the horizontal movement East to West,internal to the structure, on the fifth to senenth floors, but truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7"
(New York Magazine, March 27th 2006)
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Like the dawning of crisp October morning, this thought just hit me....

Why on Earth would a highly paid government shill like Dr. Sunder, Head of official NIST report on Building 7, openly admit that he honestly doesn't know why that building came down? Isn't NIST just parroting the governments version of things?

I thought highly paid government shills were supposed to continue to spread disinformation and lies? Why do these conspirators keep blowing their cover?

Gah... so hard to find good mass-murderers these days.
 
kookbreaker said:
Your iron stove has the advantage of being surrounded on all sides by cooling air.
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And even more so than the cooling air, it has a large surface area to radiate the heat away. Radiation would happen even if the oven were surrounded by a vaccuum.
 
CurtC said:
And even more so than the cooling air, it has a large surface area to radiate the heat away. Radiation would happen even if the oven were surrounded by a vaccuum.
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Same radiant heat loss yes, but wouldn't there be less convection occurring?
 
kookbreaker said:
Your iron stove has the advantage of being surrounded on all sides by cooling air.
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Not to mention a well-designed draft of air up the flue, which carries off a lot of hot gasses, and thus energy that would otherwise be transferred to the stove body.
 
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Docker said:
Well the point is that these cars were not near the towers, they werent hit by anything and didn't catch fire.
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The parking lot was very close to the WTC. If you look at the NW corner of the site, it's just across the hi-way. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...272,-74.013884&spn=0.005481,0.013475&t=k&om=1

As far as a thermonuclear explosion is concerned, I never experienced it, and I live 4 blocks away from the WTC. The only events that I remember are the sound of the initial aircraft impacts and then the collapse of both buildings.
 
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
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There is insufficient information in just pictures to make an educated guess. We do not know the vehicles' locations at the time they were damaged, if the pictures were taken at those locations, if any debris was removed from the vehicles prior to the pictures being taken, etc
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
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Send the pic's to the NYFD and get an expert opinion :)
 
:confused: Some of those pictures in post 1 don't look like they are anywhere near ground zero. I mean like they are not even in the right vicinity. The police car looks to me to be on the East River under the FDR overpass. Are we sure that these pictures have anything to do with 9/11?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
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You are missing the most amazing part. There were people inside those cars and they aren't there now! Where did they go? What technology would make them completely disappear without any blood, torn clothing, nothing, they simply vanished.

Please JREFs tell me what you imagine happened to those people.
 
DavidJames said:
You are missing the most amazing part. There were people inside those cars and they aren't there now! Where did they go? What technology would make them completely disappear without any blood, torn clothing, nothing, they simply vanished.

Please JREFs tell me what you imagine happened to those people.
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A combination hydrogen/nuetron bomb.
 
DavidJames said:
You are missing the most amazing part. There were people inside those cars and they aren't there now! Where did they go? What technology would make them completely disappear without any blood, torn clothing, nothing, they simply vanished.

Please JREFs tell me what you imagine happened to those people.
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No one was in those cars. This is what I am talking about with people not from NYC. That was a picture of cars in a NYC parking lot.

The emergency vehicles were empty because the responders were in working. Something about a plane crash or terrorist attack or something.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
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I'm not sure which is more amusing. You arguing these points, you acting as though they're evidence of anything, or your use of the phrase "black goo".

Hmmm....

Upon deep introspection, I've decided they are equally amusing.

You ever think that maybe the burned tire that used to be on that cop car didn't grow legs and follow it when it was moved to the spot where the picture was taken?
 
By the way, you can see the UN building in the background and the FDR Drive above that squad car. I'd guess that is somewhere between 34 and 71 Street. Nowhere near Ground Zero.
 
Donal said:
By the way, you can see the UN building in the background and the FDR Drive above that squad car. I'd guess that is somewhere between 34 and 71 Street. Nowhere near Ground Zero.
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Yeah, there is no way that is anywhere near ground zero. There is a street sign behind the cop car, can't quite make it out but could be 70 something. I was thinking 90 something. Its
definitely under the FDR overpass.
 
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